even just a place defined in the wiki, like a table, listing 'working 
setups' with their configuration,
and encourage everyone, i.e. 'hobby' (small, medium and large), light 
industrial, and industrial level users
to all submit 'what works' for them.  Not saying that others don't.  If 
someone has 'special glue' they
use, link another wiki page (or link to their own page) to explain in 
more detail than a 'quick list of parts
and software'.

What kinds of items should be in the list? 
short description of type of use (watch making, model making, furniture, 
racecar parts,
jet turbines, general metal shop, general wood shop, cabinet making, 3d 
modeling, etc),
PC type, interface type & brand or onboard  (1 parallel, multiple 
parallel, USB2 , firewire,
ethernet, other?), PC interface cards, breakout boards, motor 
controllers (vendor, model, software
version numbers), motor power supplies, motors used, userName or handle, 
link to other information
(additional wiki page or link to additional personal information).  What 
else?

Mark Cason wrote:
>   Perhaps a couple of reference designs of "tried and true" hardware
> would be helpful?
>   One for beginners, made up of simple, and cheap hardware.  Another for
> more experienced people, that need the speed/power of a more advanced
> system. 
>
>   There is no one single place on the wiki, that says what hardware
> combinations work well together.  There are just a couple of lists of
> what could be used, and a few pieces of hardware known not to work, as
> well as some latency tests done on a few motherboards.
>
>   This does not have to be a exhaustive list either, just a "If you use
> this hardware, you will minimize your problems, and there are people
> that have experience with it" type of list.
>
>   An example may be: a mini-itx motherboard with a certain set of
> settings, a xylotex driver board, a 10 amp gold brick (Acopian),
> Oriental Motor steppers, etc...  This is just an example, not what I am
> putting together.
>
>   Some of the people I have worked with, have a want for something, and
> they can do the work, they just don't have all of the computer skills
> (esp. not linux skills), and just want a detailed set of step by step
> build instructions. (put bolt "A" in hole "B" type of instructions)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 23:11 -0500, Kent A. Reed wrote:
>   
>> Gentle persons:
>>
>> In a recent response to a disgruntled user trying to get a new-model 
>> Mesa Electronics board working with EMC2 and servo drives, Peter Wallace 
>> made a profound remark that characterizes many of the email storms I 
>> seen over the past several years.
>>
>> Peter said "The newness of the driver also means that you have the 
>> disadvantage that there are few people with 7I43s using Hostmot2 to 
>> compare notes with."
>>
>> Substitute appropriate nouns for "7I43" and "Hostmot2" and this sentence 
>> expresses the problem I've seen on many boards and email lists. Although 
>> EMC2 and gnu/Linux make us all birds of a feather on this list, we have 
>> each of us created a variation on a theme.  When problems occur, they 
>> may or may not be obvious to others, even to a guru. The problem getting 
>> a particular cellular technology modem working with Ubuntu is another 
>> example.
>>
>> I find the principal value of this particular list is not just that (1) 
>> its participants are ready willing and able to come forward with 
>> suggestions, pointers, personal experiences, as well as do 
>> extracurricular work; and not just that (2) its participants span a 
>> tremendous range of hardware and software experiences so that their 
>> responses are often homeruns on the first swing (apologies to the 
>> non-baseball fans); but also that (3) its participants are very frank 
>> about what they know, what they're pretty sure they know, and what 
>> they're sure they don't know. Swings-and-misses are often converted into 
>> homeruns because the participants fill in the missing bits in each 
>> other's responses.
>>
>> There are lots of lists and boards out there when every newbie question 
>> gets a dozen independent responses from presumptive experts who are 
>> condescending, cryptic, and wrong. They declaim rather than debate. I 
>> can't understand what motivates them to respond at all. They remind me 
>> of the old Saturday Night Live news sketches where Dan Aykroyd always 
>> prefaced his response to his co-anchor Jane Curtin with "Jane, you 
>> ignorant slut." If I were just starting out with a nontrivial computer 
>> application instead of building on 47 years of computing experience on 
>> everything from mainframes (including analog!) to supers to minis to 
>> micros, their responses would make me totally despair of ever being able 
>> to get something to work.
>>
>> So, to all you regular participants in EMC-USERS, I tip my hat.
>>
>> To all you who feel you just can't get the hang of it, keep at it. We've 
>> all been there and we want to see you succeed too (besides, there's a 
>> good chance we'll learn something from you too).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kent
>>
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