On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 19:45 -0500, Jim Coleman wrote:
> could you use 3 outputs from a parport to control the sync. motors?  an
> enable pin, and then 2 of them on H bridges pulsing 90 degrees out of phase
> to run the motors? 

That is close to what I did here:
http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/rotor_cam.html
but I use four lines driving the two h-bridges. Theoretically you can
use two lines, one for each h-bridge, but the problem comes about when
the signal is in transition. The time when the bridge input is in the
middle of the transition, both high and low transistors conduct causing
a dead short. The four lines allow me to turn one transistor off before
I turn the other on and parport pins are cheap.

> also, am i missing something big here, or would these
> motors run kinda like bipolar steppers, but designed to turn constant speed
> instead of being more position oriented?

Yes. The major difference is that a stepper has a permanent magnet rotor
and the rotator motor has and inductive rotor which needs a changing
magnetic field in order to create motion.

>  wondering if a stepper drive would
> be easily adaptable to run a rotor.

It could be done, but for my project I wanted to use as much off the
self with the least amount of modification.

> another thought regarding the 'home', how hard would it be to put a little
> microswitch on the hard stop so just as it's about to hit the hard stop it
> can close the switch and gently coast into the stop instead of whackin it
> full speed?  also, MPJA.com has proximity switches for $20, not sure if
> that's expensive or not in todays market, I just know ive seen receipts at
> work for replacements on machines that make the $20 look cheap.

TV antenna rotators are cheap, so if you blow one up, it's no big deal.
Also they are designed to find home this way, and could do so all day
probably. Installing a home switch would be better. When activated, if
the motor coasts a little before it stops should not be a problem
because the output shaft will move very little due to the gear
reduction. If it becomes a problem, you could use the four wire control
to turn both low side transistors on to brake the motor. This should
stop the motor very quickly.

> I'm interested in a project like this for aiming wifi antennas with tight
> radiation patterns, like 7 degrees or less.  also, a coworker has a rotor
> with a broken control box, if something was simple enough to impliment he
> might swing towards something like that rather than just not watchin certain
> channels.

I have spare controllers, so does eBay, but shipping can be a pill.

> last thought regarding the UPS / generator.  couldnt you use an old laptop
> with a rebuilt battery pack in it, and keep it in standby and have it wake
> when power goes out?  not sure off hand how you could impliment the wake, i
> have no idea how the wake on LAN connector on the motherboard works, and
> dont know if you'd be able to poll the parport while in sleep.  maybe a
> modem with wake on ring, and somehow send an AC signal to that when the
> power drops off?  I've never implimented wake on LAN or wake on ring, so all
> of this is just wild guesses on my part.  but I'd definitely like to see
> what you come up with, if nothing else im sure it's be a good read or some
> pretty pictures to gander at.

Laptops seem to be more trouble than they are worth for machine control.
I am tending towards having a full time lower power miniATX motherboard,
maybe with a C7 processor, that would do web-based whole house power
management. Normally it would monitor voltage on the mains and current
on each power panel breaker, and also test and maintain backup batteries
and generator. For an outage, it would manage the transfer from
batteries to generator and control voltage and frequency. When the mains
power returns, it will manage the transfer back to normal mode. It's a
good thing this stage of the planning is cheap (free, except for the
beer).
---------------
Kirk
http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/rotor_cam.html



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