So is there a converter that anyone is aware of or a method in emc that 
would allow you to take quadrature encoder signals and convert them into an 
analog tach signal? I have other Fanuc systems in the shop that use tach 
feed back on the motor and Linear Scales on the axis with no issues. Drive 
MUST see a tach signal or it will not work. The signal originally (On a 
Fanuc) is brought into the CNC master PCB and then routed to the drive from 
there. If an encoder is brought back to the CNC then the signal is converted 
on the Master PCB and then routed to the drive. Any way it goes the drive 
must see an analog tach signal. Fanuc uses a custom chip called an "LSI" to 
do this. Are you saying that a separate encoder or scale is impossible 
without an encoder on the motor or just more difficult? Difficult can be 
worked with. I suppose I could also modify the motor to use both.....Now 
that might be a simpler solution to get the best of both. Drive would get 
what it needs and emc should like it also.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Wille Padnos" <spad...@sover.net>
To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] G52 and Fanuc conversion to EMC


> Paul Keeton wrote:
>>> If there's a tach on the motor, then you should be able to route that
>>> directly to the drive.  My understanding is that some controls would
>>> synthesize the tach feedback from encoder feedback.  If you have one of
>>> those, then it gets more complex (and I don't know the answer)
>>>
>> I would think that the simplest solution would be to change the motors to
>> tach feedback and then install either linear scales on the iron or 
>> install
>> encoders on the ballscrews. I would think this would be the simplest way 
>> to
>> handle it?
>>
> It may be, it may not be.
>
> If there are already encoders on the motors, you should keep those
> installed if at all possible.  PID only works well when the feedback
> device is rigidly coupled to the actuator - ie, when the encoder is
> mounted on the motor.  If you use only a linear scale for feedback, and
> there is any backlash, then it will be difficult or impossible to tune
> the PID.  You can use a scale in addition to an encoder, as was done on
> the G&L at MPM (I think there's a case study on the linuxcnc.org
> website, but I'm not sure where).
>
> Encoders on the screws should be OK if there's no backlash between the
> motor and the screw.  It's a good rule of thumb to consider that every
> step the encoder is moved away from the motor makes PID tuning harder.
>
> - Steve
>
>
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