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Re: CAM solutions (Gene Heskett) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:28:33 -0400 >From: Stephen Wille Padnos <spad...@sover.net> >Subject: Re: [Emc-users] CAM solutions >To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> >Message-ID: <4ba90851.2050...@sover.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Roland Jollivet wrote: >> Gotta agree. Pricing is one of my pet banes. Try find the price of SW, >> Autocad or similar package on the net. They want all sorts of details first. >> Crikey, one can drive past showrooms all day seeing the price of cars which >> start at the order of 3 x as much. So why the secret. >> >> I truly wish some company would bring out a 'real' CAD/CAM package at 1/5th >> of the price and blow the others out the water. >> >Well, someone actually did. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be going >very well for them. > >I bought CadMax Solid Master <http://www.cadmax.com> about 5 years ago. >It's a real parametric solid modeling package, with a dynamic feature >tree (much like SolidWorks), import/export of several formats (though >unfortunately IGES costs extra), and fully associative sketches and >prints. That last bit means that you can change a measurement or >location on a sketch, and the model will automatically update, including >any affected dimensions in the drawing/print views. > >It costs $300, plus another $500 for IGES import/export if you want that. > >It seemed that the company had gone out of business for a while. The >website was unavailable for several months. This was a concern for me, >since the software is apparently node-locked by MAC address and volume >ID. I had to get another unlock key when a hard drive died. I don't >think there have been any updates in the last few years. > >The software is quite full-featured, though the user interface is a >little bit strange by todays standards. (things like rotation of the >model being a function, rather than a middle-drag or similar) > >It's not a CAM package at all, but it can export to various formats that >are supported by CAM packages. > >- Steve > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:17:41 -0400 >From: Jim Wilkin <james.a.wil...@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [Emc-users] CAM solutions >To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> >Message-ID: <4ba905c5.7030...@gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On my ubuntu 9.04 machine, Blender is in the Synaptic Package Manager. > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:57:31 +0000 >From: Andy Pugh <a...@andypugh.fsnet.co.uk> >Subject: Re: [Emc-users] CAM solutions >To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> >Message-ID: > <62cd38031003231157y16d68447o21cc941b3a0bc...@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >On 23 March 2010 18:28, Stephen Wille Padnos <spad...@sover.net> wrote: >> >> Roland Jollivet wrote: >> >>> I truly wish some company would bring out a 'real' CAD/CAM package at 1/5th >>> of the price and blow the others out the water. >>> >> Well, someone actually did. ?Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be going >> very well for them. >> >> I bought CadMax Solid Master <http://www.cadmax.com> about 5 years ago. >> It's a real parametric solid modeling package, with a dynamic feature >> tree (much like SolidWorks), import/export of several formats (though >> unfortunately IGES costs extra), and fully associative sketches and >> prints. > >Alibre is cheaper still and supports IGES without extra expense. All >it seems to lack is the ability to change dimensions in a drawing and >have the model change to match (and I am not completely sure that the >facility is missing, it might be I have not found it). > >I used AutoDesk Inventor all day, every day for a couple of years and >I have to confess that there are not a great number of Inventor >features missing from Alibre that I notice the lack of. > >The $197 / ?89 version has a Demo version of the MecSoft CAM package >available, and I believe that there is a way to unlock it into a very >limited version (Alibre CAM Xpress) but I can't figure out how. The >Demo version doesn't output G-Code. > >I would certainly say that it is worth trying the 30 Day free trial >version of Alibre Design, it runs under VMWare on a Mac and probably >also under Wine in Linux. >After 30 days it reverts to the "Express" Version, but even that seems >perfectly usable, the main limits being 5 parts per assembly and no >Inventor/ProE import/export. > >-- >atp > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:01:42 -0400 >From: Gene Heskett <gene.hesk...@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [Emc-users] CAM solutions >To: "Enhanced Machine Controller \(EMC\)" > <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> >Message-ID: <201003231501.43028.gene.hesk...@gmail.com> >Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >On Tuesday 23 March 2010, Ries van Twisk wrote: >>On Mar 23, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> On Tuesday 23 March 2010, Ries van Twisk wrote: >>>> On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday 23 March 2010, Ries van Twisk wrote: >>>>>> On Mar 23, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Sven Wesley wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2010, at 1:41 AM, a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>>> I bought Rhino and importantly it is only 3D surface modeling >>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>> where nurbs is a part. NURBS let you grab point and drag it >>>>>>>>> and it >>>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>>> whole surface. It is interesting option. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you guys use any of the Parametric plugins for Rhino? >>>>>> Honestly I don't see why a non parametric 3D modeler is any >>>>>> useful in >>>>>> the industry >>>>>> where you need to make more then just a part, I am not talking >>>>>> about >>>>>> people doing this for a hobby or the one-offs >>>>> >>>>> And that's me. No way in hell can I justify the cost of something >>>>> like >>>>> rhino, for one quick piece of wood or metal. I could easily empty >>>>> the SS >>>>> replenished bank account if I bought all the stuff that has been >>>>> mentioned >>>>> here. >>>> >>>> in that case the sort of business you work on doesn't even require >>>> it, >>>> no worries, it's really normal to use simple CAD/CAM pages. >>>> I see to much people buying autocad, while they also could >>>> have been buying qCAD or any other sub 100USD 2D CAD package. >>>> they Just pay a very file conversion package :) >>>> >>>> Ries >>> >>> I have had qCAD's freebie installed several times, but I have yet to >>> see it >>> has an output format I can use or convert to use. Probably no >>> mistake... >>> >>> Thanks Ries. >> >>The payed version is a bit better on a usability level, but I could >>simply >>save as a DXF and use it with one of the free and some closed source >>CAM solutions. >> >>Ries >> >I couldn't find a DXF convertor that actually made good code. And I'd still >like to try that bit of python that a link to the wiki about was posted >earlier today. > >Thanks Ries. > >-- >Cheers, Gene >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >-Ed Howdershelt (Author) > >If you talk to God, you are praying; if God talks to you, you have >schizophrenia. > -- Thomas Szasz > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:23:12 -0700 >From: dave <dengv...@charter.net> >Subject: Re: [Emc-users] CAM solutions >To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> >Message-ID: <1269372192.31632.15.ca...@dsk> >Content-Type: text/plain > >On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 12:47 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Tuesday 23 March 2010, Ries van Twisk wrote: >> >On Mar 23, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Sven Wesley wrote: >> >>> On Mar 23, 2010, at 1:41 AM, a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote: >> >>>> Hi >> >>>> I bought Rhino and importantly it is only 3D surface modeling >> >>>> software >> >>>> where nurbs is a part. NURBS let you grab point and drag it and it >> >>>> change >> >>>> whole surface. It is interesting option. >> > >> >Do you guys use any of the Parametric plugins for Rhino? >> >Honestly I don't see why a non parametric 3D modeler is any useful in >> >the industry >> >where you need to make more then just a part, I am not talking about >> >people doing this for a hobby or the one-offs >> > >> And that's me. No way in hell can I justify the cost of something like >> rhino, for one quick piece of wood or metal. I could easily empty the SS >> replenished bank account if I bought all the stuff that has been mentioned >> here. >> >> >>> Blender is a powerful modeling app that also supports nurbs. It >> >>> has the >> >>> added benefit of being free. >> >>> (http://www.blender.org/) >> >>> >> But with a steep learning curve, at least for me. >> >> >>> -Tom >> >> >> >> I wouldn't say "only" a 3D surface modeller. It is that, yes, but >> >> it's very >> >> powerful and capable of more than free modelling. >> >> I have Blender as well, not as user friendly though. If someone >> >> writes a >> >> CAM-plugin for Blender then there will be something very very useful. >> > >> >I tried using blender, but could never really be productive on it, >> >it might have something to do with the way I think, because I have seen >> >some awesome project done with it, most non-mechanical though... >> > >> >What I need in a design tool is parametric, sketcher in 3D and 2D, >> >associative and that my g-code get's updated when my model is changed, >> >or that my 2D drawings get updated when my 3D model changes, or the >> >other way around even. >> > >> >I know we all say that the software is expensive, and it is! But given >> >you might use >> >it for let's say 3 years then even for a $10K software tool you pay >> >277 a month, >> >that's less then the daily rate for a single guy. If you make anything >> >on a professional level, then it's worth the investment and it's >> >better to use something >> >that has some learning curve, but will save you time in the long run, >> >then use software that is much cheaper, but forces you to repeat >> >yourself. >> > >> >Ries > > >Unless one is a a really serious hobbyist or well heeled a cad/cam >package is a real investment. > >The only part of Synergy that is free is the 2.5D drawing. If you want >2.5D CAM then cough up $250. >If you want wire-frame then add more money. >If you want 3D (parasolids) add more money. > >Believe me, weber systems does not make their money off of cad/cam >sales; their real money made off support and custom work. > >But where else can you get 2.5 D plus wire-frame plus solids plus >variational (for a family of parts) plus lathe and edm including CAM for >something about 1.2K$. Now that assumes you can make it run without >support after the initial support period. > >I exports its native .syn files plus Iges and I think both dxf and dwg >although they may only import dxf and dwg. > >Come on Bob speak up here. > >Compare that with other 3D packages + CAM and it looks pretty good. > >Dave > > > > >> > >> > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >--- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval >> >Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs >> >proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. >> >See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. >> >http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Emc-users mailing list >> >Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> > >> >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:16:02 -0500 >From: Ries van Twisk <e...@rvt.dds.nl> >Subject: Re: [Emc-users] CAM solutions >To: "Enhanced Machine Controller \(EMC\)" > <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> >Message-ID: <f6785aa8-16a8-48be-890a-0aa0b2b8c...@rvt.dds.nl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; >delsp=yes > > >On Mar 23, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > >>>> <snip> >>>> Thanks Ries. >>> >>> The payed version is a bit better on a usability level, but I could >>> simply >>> save as a DXF and use it with one of the free and some closed source >>> CAM solutions. >>> >>> Ries >>> >> I couldn't find a DXF convertor that actually made good code. And >> I'd still >> like to try that bit of python that a link to the wiki about was >> posted >> earlier today. >> >> Thanks Ries. >> > > > > >I have used that python script and I frequently import DXF into it. >Be aware though, it's very simple but it suited my needs for some of >the stuff I was doing. > >With any CAD/CAM solution, it's very important to look and your needs >and capabilities and only then find the proper solution. > >I like to play with Pro/E and have been in a +100K euro traject to >select a CAD/CAM solution, >but I frequently grab to qCad and that python script to quickly create >something :) >Currently it's mostly a hobby for me though.. > >That CAM/CAD traject I did within the company had a ROI within 18Months, >the part where where making where fairly complex and where sligh?y >different for each build request, >mostly sizer and shape changed, but number of features was the same. >With AutoCAD people had to work for weeks to create the same part over >and over again to spec, >with the parametric solution it was almost a matter of filling in some >number and press a button. >We could bring down the design of that part back from 3 weeks to >around 1-2 days. > >Ries > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:35:02 -0400 >From: Gene Heskett <gene.hesk...@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [Emc-users] CAM solutions >To: bernhard.kubi...@gmail.com, "Enhanced Machine Controller \(EMC\)" > <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> >Message-ID: <201003231535.02412.gene.hesk...@gmail.com> >Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >On Tuesday 23 March 2010, Bernhard Kubicek wrote: >>camexpert is the "advanced" qcad, where you can export gcode. But it does >>not support cutter radius compensation, nor pocketing by itself. >>There is some optimization of paths; >>Manually reordering of things is not working well for me. > >And I tend to be fond of subroutines, but have trouble recognizing that >something just might be better that way when I am trying to shrink and >optimize my own stuff. One of the things that would be handy for me could be >done as a subroutine, that of carving the access well in the north side (I'm >right handed) of a gunstock butt section that goes with the 'thumbhole" >style. That is basically a cone shape, laid well over on its side, but for >artistic purposes and hand comfort, the 'lower' edge needs to be pulled down >near the pistol grip, but maintain the straight line to the rear of the >cutout too, the idea being that when the hand is in the grip, the back of the >pistol should be pretty well centered on a line drawn thru the wrist back to >the 2 bones in the arm, therefore transferring as much of the arms mass into >the stock as practical. This effect can also have a quite noticeable effect >on the perceived recoil with the larger calibers. The improved grip also >turns my standing up with no support grouping at 100 meters from a pattern >about 1/3 meter across, to one about 7 or 8 cm across. That will put venison >in the freezer. ;-) > >I can deduce the shape of the curve on both ends, and could set it in a >table, but emc doesn't have enough vars to hold the whole double set of xyz >tables. Also, x needs to be dynamically adjusted so we don't waste a lot of >time cutting air, or conversely, keeping the chuck itself out of the wood >when approaching the pistol grip. Without a really long spindle nose, and a >tilting post or spindle, reaching it all is a drill a hole & sand to shape >operation, something I'd love to be able to do, and could if I ever built a >gantry machine with a 54" x, 12" y & z and a spindle I can rotate on the y >axis and an A table on the x axis, total of 5 axis. I suspect that some of >the ultra modern looking bits of laminated wood I see on the net were carved >with such a machine. At that point I'll be looking for today's version of >the 50 year old B&D die grinder #8 for a spindle. Nice looooonngg nose >shank, you could reach all the way up a flathead ford blocks exhaust port and >polish around the exhaust valve stems with it. > >I actually think I could write some patterns that would sell in wood if I had >the machine, cuz I already know what looks good. Or think I do. Every time I >drag out the one I'm working on at the moment, it gets the Ooohs and Ahhhs >that makes me feel good. Too bad we can't post pix here. > >-- >Cheers, Gene >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >-Ed Howdershelt (Author) > >The less time planning, the more time programming. > > > >------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval >Try the new software tools for yourself. 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