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Cheers, Howard On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:39 AM, <[email protected]>wrote: > Send Emc-users mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Emc-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: setting tool lengths (Chris Radek) > 2. Re: setting tool lengths (Stuart Stevenson) > 3. Re: EMC2 machine updates (Jon Elson) > 4. Re: setting tool lengths (dave) > 5. Re: EMC2 machine updates (Mark Wendt) > 6. Re: setting tool lengths (John Thornton) > 7. Re: setting tool lengths (James Louis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:18:23 -0500 > From: Chris Radek <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] setting tool lengths > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 10:53:04PM -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > I have asked this before but with the EMC2 machines breeding in my shop > I > > want to get this implemented. > > I want to have a variable (in the .var file?) that will allow me to set > > positive tool lengths using a tool set block on the table surface. I want > to > > be able to match the tool lengths the machine sets to the tool lengths > our > > tool set machine measures. The variable would be a constant that is > compared > > to the axis position to calculate the tool length from the imaginary gage > > point. I have a 50 taper tool set standard I can put in the spindle to > > determine the gage point very accurately. > > Our 5 axis mills that have 5 axis tool length compensation need and use > > positive tool lengths in the TLO. I would like to have positive tool > lengths > > on all machines just to be consistent. > > I will start working on this here unless someone (with much better > > programming skills - wink wink) has completed it. :) > > I've thought about this too. I currently have G59.3 system on my mill > set so the reference/zero length tool (probe length for me, gage line > for you) is touching the table at Z=0. That way I can switch to > G59.3, put a 123 or 246 block anywhere on the table, roll a .5 dowel > pin between the tool and the block, and touch off the tool to 6.5 (if > using an upright 246 block). Then I switch back to G54 or whatever. > > I think this procedure would do what you want too, if you just set the > coordinate system right. It would be nice if you did not have to > remember to switch systems though. It is easy to mess up. > > Maybe we need a separate system just for tool touch off, or maybe using > G59.3 automatically under the covers is good enough. Either way, we'd > have to make a new subcommand of G10 L10 Pn (not sure what format? > L11?) that does the deed. Then (the hard part I think) is letting the > user select which method in the gui (touch off tool relative to current > work offset, or touch off tool relative to the specific special/G59.3 > system). > > I'm hesitant to force one or the other - I usually use the table method, > except when I can't. Sometimes I can't get to the table at all - so I > probe the top of the workpiece, set G54 to 0 there, roll dowel between > tool and workpiece, touch off tool (while still in G54) to 0.5. > > An easier way out would be to leave G10 L10 alone and change the > behavior underneath to force relativity to a certain coordinate system > based on an ini entry. Then we wouldn't have to touch the GUIs (but > different emc machines would work obscurely and dangerously > differently with no hint to the user). > > It's late - this is probably clear as mud. > > Chris > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:30:51 -0500 > From: Stuart Stevenson <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] setting tool lengths > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]<nqwfez-97y%2bj9udkoo11pkf%[email protected]> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > At the moment I like the idea of the .ini entry and forcing the user to do > it one way for every machine. The tool set machine measurement can be typed > into the TLO for the times when the tool set probe cannot be reached. > I would then need to make/purchase a 40 taper tool set standard adapter for > my tool set machine and all would be well. > You are correct - it is late - time to sleep on it. > > -- > dos centavos > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:43:43 -0500 > From: Jon Elson <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 machine updates > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > One of my partners came in my > > office today to tell me the Cinci had circle interpolated a (I think) 4 > inch > > hole within .0005 round. Neither man is easily impressed. I will get some > > pictures of the parts. > > > Ahh, pictures won't show .0005" accuracy! This is after your 5-axis > kinematics fixings? > That is quite awesome. I can't get better than .001 to .0015" on my > Bridgeport due to some flex > in the ballscrew mounts and such small deflections. > > We moved the Dahlih into the main shop. Clyde, the machinist that ran > the > > Dahlih in the back shop, wanted us to move it to the main shop so he > could > > run it there. Clyde is not a CNC operator. Clyde is a crochety old manual > > machinist. He likes the Dahlih. He was very skeptical at first. When he > saw > > the keyboard (the gui is AXIS) he turned up his nose. His finger now fly > > over the keys. > Old dogs CAN learn new tricks, but it is harder than it used to be. > But, when there is REAL > benefit to learning, it is worth it. > > (Still can't stand those singing servos on the DahLih, though, that > whine would drive me nuts.) > > Jon > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:03:27 -0700 > From: dave <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] setting tool lengths > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <1286514207.2236.51.ca...@dsk> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 23:18 -0500, Chris Radek wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 10:53:04PM -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > > Gentlemen, > > > I have asked this before but with the EMC2 machines breeding in my > shop I > > > want to get this implemented. > > Don't put them so close together; inhibit breeding. ;-) > > Ok, so it is late and I can plead old-timers syndrome or something. > > I keep thinking about a gage ... basically a honed cylinder with a > spring restrained piston and a couple of prox switches. The first switch > is a warning and slows the approach velocity and the second marks the > length. > One can either bolt this to the mill bed or use magnets to affix it so > positioning it on top a work piece would be possible. > > Gage all your tools against it using the reference tool as zero. > > Set it atop the workpiece and use the offset to get workpiece zero or > use cradeks dowel method. > > It should not be too difficult to clone this across machines to make > things consistent. Surface grinders do nice things. :-) > > In this off the wall thinking I have even considered a reverse version > of the sensor system that mounts in the spindle and allows touch off > plus offset to give top of workpiece. > > There must be a somewhat easier way but indeed it is late and I'm > somewhat taxed for bright ideas. > > In the light of morning maybe something else will reveal itself but I > don't hold out too much hope. > > Keep thinking, it is the only hope we have. > > Dave > > > > I want to have a variable (in the .var file?) that will allow me to > set > > > positive tool lengths using a tool set block on the table surface. I > want to > > > be able to match the tool lengths the machine sets to the tool lengths > our > > > tool set machine measures. The variable would be a constant that is > compared > > > to the axis position to calculate the tool length from the imaginary > gage > > > point. I have a 50 taper tool set standard I can put in the spindle to > > > determine the gage point very accurately. > > > Our 5 axis mills that have 5 axis tool length compensation need and > use > > > positive tool lengths in the TLO. I would like to have positive tool > lengths > > > on all machines just to be consistent. > > > I will start working on this here unless someone (with much better > > > programming skills - wink wink) has completed it. :) > > > > I've thought about this too. I currently have G59.3 system on my mill > > set so the reference/zero length tool (probe length for me, gage line > > for you) is touching the table at Z=0. That way I can switch to > > G59.3, put a 123 or 246 block anywhere on the table, roll a .5 dowel > > pin between the tool and the block, and touch off the tool to 6.5 (if > > using an upright 246 block). Then I switch back to G54 or whatever. > > > > I think this procedure would do what you want too, if you just set the > > coordinate system right. It would be nice if you did not have to > > remember to switch systems though. It is easy to mess up. > > > > Maybe we need a separate system just for tool touch off, or maybe using > > G59.3 automatically under the covers is good enough. Either way, we'd > > have to make a new subcommand of G10 L10 Pn (not sure what format? > > L11?) that does the deed. Then (the hard part I think) is letting the > > user select which method in the gui (touch off tool relative to current > > work offset, or touch off tool relative to the specific special/G59.3 > > system). > > > > I'm hesitant to force one or the other - I usually use the table method, > > except when I can't. Sometimes I can't get to the table at all - so I > > probe the top of the workpiece, set G54 to 0 there, roll dowel between > > tool and workpiece, touch off tool (while still in G54) to 0.5. > > > > An easier way out would be to leave G10 L10 alone and change the > > behavior underneath to force relativity to a certain coordinate system > > based on an ini entry. Then we wouldn't have to touch the GUIs (but > > different emc machines would work obscurely and dangerously > > differently with no hint to the user). > > > > It's late - this is probably clear as mud. > > > > Chris > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports > > standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 & L3. > > Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great > > experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb > > _______________________________________________ > > Emc-users mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:34:07 -0400 > From: Mark Wendt <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 machine updates > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 10/07/2010 11:39 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > We now have a shop full of EMC2 believers. I walked out into the shop > this > > morning and all three EMC2 controlled machines were cutting steel parts. > The > > Dahlih was making some blocks for a draw press. The Cinci was milling > some > > steel plates and the Enshu was milling some steel blocks. > > I wanted to get some pictures of the Enshu cutting the blocks but 2 > hours > > later when I went out with the camera the job was completed. The job did > not > > have any tool changes so it was not a good candidate for a video. I don't > > know what is going on it next. I will get a video shortly. > > The Cinci is generating a lot of good feedback. One of our programmers > > said this is the best machine in the shop. One of my partners came in my > > office today to tell me the Cinci had circle interpolated a (I think) 4 > inch > > hole within .0005 round. Neither man is easily impressed. I will get some > > pictures of the parts. > > We moved the Dahlih into the main shop. Clyde, the machinist that ran > the > > Dahlih in the back shop, wanted us to move it to the main shop so he > could > > run it there. Clyde is not a CNC operator. Clyde is a crochety old manual > > machinist. He likes the Dahlih. He was very skeptical at first. When he > saw > > the keyboard (the gui is AXIS) he turned up his nose. His finger now fly > > over the keys. We have a small cell set up for him. A manual bridgeport, > a > > manual lathe and the Dahlih. I would love to set an EMC2 controlled lathe > in > > his cell. > > I have not worked on the G&L again - yet - I will get to it shortly. > > EMC2 ROCKS > > thanks > > Stuart > > > > Please tell me Clyde at least gets bread and water in his cell... ;-) > Outstanding Stuart! Maybe once I move out of Maryland to the upper > midwest, I'll get a chance to come down and see your shop. You've done > some impressive things! > > Mark > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 06:30:58 -0500 > From: John Thornton <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] setting tool lengths > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Chris Radek wrote: > > I've thought about this too. I currently have G59.3 system on my mill > > set so the reference/zero length tool (probe length for me, gage line > > for you) is touching the table at Z=0. That way I can switch to > > G59.3, put a 123 or 246 block anywhere on the table, roll a .5 dowel > > pin between the tool and the block, and touch off the tool to 6.5 (if > > using an upright 246 block). Then I switch back to G54 or whatever. > > > > I think this procedure would do what you want too, if you just set the > > coordinate system right. It would be nice if you did not have to > > remember to switch systems though. It is easy to mess up. > > > I can vouch for that, for some reason I still get confused from time to > time touching off tools and G54. I usually use G55 to touch off tools. > BTW, the DRO screen in master is very valuable when touching off tools. > I use the dowel method as well on the CHNC and it works well for those > tools that can be touched off that way. I have developed the habit of > loading a new tool and double checking that my Z0 is where I expect it > to be and I can tell well before the tool crashes (from experience) that > the path is not correct as the tool flies toward the material in the > chuck LOL. > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 07:39:05 -0500 > From: James Louis <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] setting tool lengths > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <f0c2421419e5c640b7ac22a6791069da07bd8c9...@svcexchange1.gtinet.prv > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > It looks like there's more than one way to get Z0. For what it's worth, > here is how I do it on our Haas mill. It is also how I plan on doing touch > off and tool pre-setting on my EMC2 mill: > First, to use this method you must measure tool length using a tool holder > mounting fixture and height gage. An actual tool pre-setter would also > work. Both will result in positive numbers. > Next mount a coolant proof dial indicator in a tool holder. This is the > type with a locking bezel pointer. Put this on your pre-setter and make > your new tool measure some round number, say 7.0000 inches. Lock your > pointer at that reading. Put that tool in your ATC carousel just like you > did with your edge finder. > > Now when you are setting up a job do these 3 steps: > 1 - Jog the indicator down to the part surface so the pointer lines up with > the bezel mark. > 2 - Press "Part Zero Set". Your gage line is now 7.0000 inches from your > part surface. > 3 - Add negative 7.0000 to your G54 Z register. > > This eliminates the need for swatches of paper or wood because your new > tool is already compliant yet very accurate. > I hope this helps. > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Thornton [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:31 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] setting tool lengths > > > > Chris Radek wrote: > > I've thought about this too. I currently have G59.3 system on my mill > > set so the reference/zero length tool (probe length for me, gage line > > for you) is touching the table at Z=0. That way I can switch to > > G59.3, put a 123 or 246 block anywhere on the table, roll a .5 dowel > > pin between the tool and the block, and touch off the tool to 6.5 (if > > using an upright 246 block). Then I switch back to G54 or whatever. > > > > I think this procedure would do what you want too, if you just set the > > coordinate system right. It would be nice if you did not have to > > remember to switch systems though. It is easy to mess up. > > > I can vouch for that, for some reason I still get confused from time to > time touching off tools and G54. I usually use G55 to touch off tools. > BTW, the DRO screen in master is very valuable when touching off tools. > I use the dowel method as well on the CHNC and it works well for those > tools that can be touched off that way. I have developed the habit of > loading a new tool and double checking that my Z0 is where I expect it > to be and I can tell well before the tool crashes (from experience) that > the path is not correct as the tool flies toward the material in the > chuck LOL. > > John > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Beautiful is writing same markup. 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