On Sunday, February 19, 2012 08:35:34 AM Jeff Epler did opine: > In the board's original announcement of the rebranding of the > project as LinuxCNC, we mentioned a future renaming of the > SourceForge project, so that our mailing lists would be under the > LinuxCNC name. However, the board has not yet filed this renaming > request with sourceforge.net. Instead, we are soliciting community > input on the future of our mailing list and bug tracking system. > > The board sees two possible options: > * Keep mailing lists and bug trackers hosted at sourceforge but > under a new group name. Advantages of this choice include that > most maintenance is done by sourceforge.net administrators. > Disadvantages include the relatively feature-poor bug tracker and > the ads displayed on all mailing list messages and project pages. > Also, some disruption is expected in the course of the sf.net > project renaming process. It is possible that some information > will be lost during the rename process. > > * Administer our own mailing lists and bug tracker, eventually > closing the sourceforge project. Advantages of this choice > include a more powerful bug tracker (probably bugzilla), ad-free > mailing lists and project pages, and the possibility of an > overlap period of sf.net and self-hosted services. Disadvantages > of this choice include greater administration requirements and > the need for users to create new accounts with the new services. > Furthermore, it is unclear whether it will be possible to migrate > data from the sf.net tracker to a self-hosted tracker, though the > board will investigate this matter further. If we choose this > option, the board accepts the ongoing work of hosting these > services. There are no extra monetary costs anticipated for > self-hosting these services. > > Ideally, this discussion will result in a clear consensus of the > community. If there is not a clear consensus, the board will take > into account community comments and make a decision by vote but not > before March 5. > > Yours, > The LinuxCNC board of directors While I find the adv's appended to our messages are often of zero interest to us, and therefore noise, they are a way for sourceforge to pay the bills.
Having it hosted at sourceforge.net would seem to offer advantages in terms of the lists security, its been quite a while since I've seen a 'spam' or 'phishing' message make it through the server. I am on a python mailing list that also has a gated link to google.groups and the spam level there is probably 25% of the messages I get despite the fact that I have some procmail poison sending 75% of that to /dev/null. I would assume that maintenance time, keeping up with the latest methods to achieve that level of security would require a pretty dedicated effort to achieve that same level by ourselves. The sourceforge.net servers generally have decent latency and BIG pipes. I often get my posts back as echos from their server in my next fetchmail scan, a maximum of 3 minutes away. I am on one or two lists where this is pretty variable, and I may not see the echo of my posts for 2 or 3 hours. So I guess this is my half hearted vote to just rename the existing list, with perhaps a signature based instruction about the upcoming rename that it will be dual named for a few days so that we all have time to modify our email agents login string to post, and a corresponding dual filtering in our receive filtering so we don't miss anything. It seems like a weeks notice would be a great plenty for most of us to make the changes on our end, with perhaps a month for folks like Kent who might have a health problem they have no control over, and who have higher priorities involved with their wives. As for bugzilla, my battles with it are legendary in my own mind but I must admit the user interface has been improved to where its tolerable, but it has taken bugzilla a decade to get there. But it still seems designed to make bug reporting 10 times harder than it should be. It cannot for instance, be used to report a problem where the only data you have is the 2 minute to half a day gap in the system logs between a normally logged event, and the logging daemons restart notice on the next line of the log. That however, seems like another, different critter to me and I wasn't aware they were even linked. In the boardroom, I know you folks will do what you think is best for LinuxCNC, so thats my $0.02 on it. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: <http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene> The difference between America and England is that the English think 100 miles is a long distance and the Americans think 100 years is a long time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Virtualization & Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
