Did you happen to check the Machinery Handbook for the tables? Ray
--J. Ray Mitchell Jr. jrmitche...@gmail.com (818)324-7573 The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.*Abraham Lincoln <http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Abraham_Lincoln/>*, *Annual message to Congress, December 1, 1862* *16th president of US (1809 - 1865)* On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:15 PM, <richsh...@comcast.net> wrote: > I bought a no name 8" rotary table and found that the Vertex DP-3 index > plate set fits perfectly. After looking on the web for several hours for an > indexing chart, to no avail. I did one myself. The newer index plate set > allows divisions up to 100 without any missing values. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 5:54:23 AM > Subject: Emc-users Digest, Vol 109, Issue 9 > > Send Emc-users mailing list submissions to > emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > emc-users-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Emc-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: micro-v belts, smaller (Erik Christiansen) > 2. Re: micro-v belts, smaller (Gene Heskett) > 3. My crashomatic lathe box (Gene Heskett) > 4. Re: micro-v belts, smaller (Gene Heskett) > 5. Re: Computer crashing. Re: micro-v belts, smaller (Mark Wendt) > 6. Re: My crashomatic lathe box (Erik Christiansen) > 7. Re: Computer crashing. Re: micro-v belts, smaller (Gene Heskett) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 19:30:56 +1000 > From: Erik Christiansen <dva...@internode.on.net> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] micro-v belts, smaller > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Message-ID: <20150502093055.GA3422@ratatosk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 01.05.15 05:55, Gene Heskett wrote: > > If the larger pulley is 70mm, thats nominally 110mm of wrap, and the > > smaller pulley is 40mm, thats 62mm of belt wrapped, and the shafts are > > 100mm apart, I'd have 110+62+200=372 to 380mm of belt needed. The > > dis-similar sizes will of course give more wrap length on the larger > > pulley and less on tha smaller pulley, so to be dead on I'd better look > > it up in the Handbook. OTOH, thats what the pivoting motor mount is for > > anyway. :) > > Gene, > > If you need 380 mm, but 600 mm is the shortest generally available, > is there room for a pair of idler pulleys off to the side, making the > whole belt path resemble a boomerang? The boomerang arms would be > significantly less than 15 cm (6") with 60 cm (2') belt length, so it > wouldn't take up a lot of room. (The outer idler would be larger than > the inner, to avoid belt fouling.) Might need a new belt cover if it's > on top of the minimill, though. > > There's probably no belt length calculator for that scenario, but four > cardboard wheels cut from a beer carton, and a bit of string, ought to > suffice for non-computer modelling, I figure. > > If you find a good price on poly-v belts of either length, please post > the link. It might help me start on a project still on the back burner. > (There's a few of those.) > > Erik > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 05:52:35 -0400 > From: Gene Heskett <ghesk...@wdtv.com> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] micro-v belts, smaller > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Message-ID: <201505020552.35243.ghesk...@wdtv.com> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Saturday 02 May 2015 05:30:56 Erik Christiansen wrote: > > On 01.05.15 05:55, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > If the larger pulley is 70mm, thats nominally 110mm of wrap, and the > > > smaller pulley is 40mm, thats 62mm of belt wrapped, and the shafts > > > are 100mm apart, I'd have 110+62+200=372 to 380mm of belt needed. > > > The dis-similar sizes will of course give more wrap length on the > > > larger pulley and less on tha smaller pulley, so to be dead on I'd > > > better look it up in the Handbook. OTOH, thats what the pivoting > > > motor mount is for anyway. :) > > > > Gene, > > > > If you need 380 mm, but 600 mm is the shortest generally available, > > is there room for a pair of idler pulleys off to the side, making the > > whole belt path resemble a boomerang? The boomerang arms would be > > significantly less than 15 cm (6") with 60 cm (2') belt length, so it > > wouldn't take up a lot of room. (The outer idler would be larger than > > the inner, to avoid belt fouling.) Might need a new belt cover if it's > > on top of the minimill, though. > > > > There's probably no belt length calculator for that scenario, but four > > cardboard wheels cut from a beer carton, and a bit of string, ought to > > suffice for non-computer modelling, I figure. > > > > If you find a good price on poly-v belts of either length, please post > > the link. It might help me start on a project still on the back > > burner. (There's a few of those.) > > > > Erik > > I expect I will, Erik. I do tend to report progress as you have > observed. > > I just woke up with another thought about the crashing. Something in > that install, same install cd was used, is tickling the drive led at > about 1.5 second intervals. The other, supposedly identical machine has > never done that. And this crasher has already destroyed one hard > drive.. Methinks I am going to log into it, and install htop, something > tickling the drive that often ought to be right at the top of the cpu > usage list. > > I'll post the result of that too. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 06:26:01 -0400 > From: Gene Heskett <ghesk...@wdtv.com> > Subject: [Emc-users] My crashomatic lathe box > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Message-ID: <201505020626.01328.ghesk...@wdtv.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Greetings all; > > Its come to my attention that something has already destroyed one hard > drive in that box, forcing a reinstall and a recovery session with > amanda to recover my stuff, and I am wondering if whatever is polling > the drives at 2 second intervals was a contributing factor. So I just > logged into that box and ran htop, discovering that networkmanager was > also running although everything it touches has been subjected to a > chattr +i, effectively emasculating that bit of crap. So the first > thing I did was to sudo apt-get purge networkmanager. On rerunning htop, > I found that udev-daemon and hal-addon-storage were polling /dev/sr0 at > 2 second intervals. > > Can those be disabled? Can I not mount the optical drive by hand in the > event its needed? > > Also, gnome-power-manager is in the top 20 of the htop list. > > Perhaps that might be disabled also? > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 06:31:59 -0400 > From: Gene Heskett <ghesk...@wdtv.com> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] micro-v belts, smaller > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Message-ID: <201505020631.59561.ghesk...@wdtv.com> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > On Saturday 02 May 2015 05:30:56 Erik Christiansen wrote: > > On 01.05.15 05:55, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > If the larger pulley is 70mm, thats nominally 110mm of wrap, and the > > > smaller pulley is 40mm, thats 62mm of belt wrapped, and the shafts > > > are 100mm apart, I'd have 110+62+200=372 to 380mm of belt needed. > > > The dis-similar sizes will of course give more wrap length on the > > > larger pulley and less on tha smaller pulley, so to be dead on I'd > > > better look it up in the Handbook. OTOH, thats what the pivoting > > > motor mount is for anyway. :) > > > > Gene, > > > > If you need 380 mm, but 600 mm is the shortest generally available, > > is there room for a pair of idler pulleys off to the side, making the > > whole belt path resemble a boomerang? The boomerang arms would be > > significantly less than 15 cm (6") with 60 cm (2') belt length, so it > > wouldn't take up a lot of room. (The outer idler would be larger than > > the inner, to avoid belt fouling.) Might need a new belt cover if it's > > on top of the minimill, though. > > > > There's probably no belt length calculator for that scenario, but four > > cardboard wheels cut from a beer carton, and a bit of string, ought to > > suffice for non-computer modelling, I figure. > > > > If you find a good price on poly-v belts of either length, please post > > the link. It might help me start on a project still on the back > > burner. (There's a few of those.) > > > > Erik > > My snooping around the net yesterday would seem to indicate that belts > down to around 190mm can be had, so I don't think I'll have to resort to > that sort of tom-foolery. > > But first I need to find why that box is crashing. There's a couple > questions in the previous post that I am hoping someone can answer. > > Thanks Erik. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 07:14:14 -0400 > From: Mark Wendt <wendt.m...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Computer crashing. Re: micro-v belts, smaller > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Message-ID: > <CABWWDmpM4TgD+iJ3_c=u0AzaCnJmg=fq2jypgu5vgnsuk9y...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Gene Heskett <ghesk...@wdtv.com> wrote: > > > On Friday 01 May 2015 15:08:45 Mark Wendt wrote: > > > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Gene Heskett <ghesk...@wdtv.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Our bullfrogs here in MD are bowled over pretty easily too. ;-) > > > > > I am glad you said that. If I had, there would have been a contract out > > on me. > > > > ROFL! > > > > > > [...] > > > > > I'm kinda partial to the Tek 7000 mainframe series. There are tons of > > > plugins besides the horizontal and vertical amps from counters, to > > > curve tracers to spectrum analyzers to you name it. > > > > Yeah, but you can't put it, a probe, and a usb cable to charge it with, > > along with the DSO-1, in your polo shirt pocket. ;-) > > > > True dat. But your DSO-1, usb cable and probe can't do waveform > calculations, curve tracing, spectrum analyzing or have up to 1 GHz > bandwidth... ;-) > > The 7000 series are lab scopes, that's for sure. But they sure are fun to > work with, and for some things, pretty much essential. Besides, if you > have enough of 'em, stick one permanently in the shop. Nobody sez ya gotta > stop at just one! ;-) > > That being said, the 2000 series also make some pretty nice shop scopes, > and are pretty portable, though not pocket protector-sized. > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > > > Cheers, > mark > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 22:50:28 +1000 > From: Erik Christiansen <dva...@internode.on.net> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] My crashomatic lathe box > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Message-ID: <20150502125028.GB3422@ratatosk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 02.05.15 06:26, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Its come to my attention that something has already destroyed one hard > > drive in that box, forcing a reinstall and a recovery session with > > amanda to recover my stuff, and I am wondering if whatever is polling > > the drives at 2 second intervals was a contributing factor. So I just > > logged into that box and ran htop, discovering that networkmanager was > > also running although everything it touches has been subjected to a > > chattr +i, effectively emasculating that bit of crap. So the first > > thing I did was to sudo apt-get purge networkmanager. > > That's pretty much the first thing I do on a ubuntu box, but more to get > mail and other network-related stuff working. > > What do /var/log/kern.log, and perhaps /var/log/messages say? Being > persistent across boots, I guess they're your best bet for diagnosis. > If the wheels are falling off in rtai, then hopefully it'll squeal > there. > > As for regular disk activity, they all seem to do it these days, whether > ubuntu or debian - mine is doing it every 7 seconds or so. > > > Also, gnome-power-manager is in the top 20 of the htop list. > > > > Perhaps that might be disabled also? > > I've just killed that process on a non-rt ubuntu 8.04 box. After twenty > minutes, it hasn't been auto restarted, and I haven't noticed any > issues. (Had to boot another host, since this debian 7.8.0 box has no > gnome-power-manager to begin with.) > > Not sure if this is the latest version, but have you run an eye over the > things to check here?: > > > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#Checking_the_RealTime_subsystem > > That "pcspkr" is sufficiently vague to make one wonder. > > This is admittedly fox hunting in the dark without a spotlight, but if > I've set something running, mebbe someone else will plug it. > > Erik > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 08:54:10 -0400 > From: Gene Heskett <ghesk...@wdtv.com> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Computer crashing. Re: micro-v belts, smaller > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Message-ID: <201505020854.10685.ghesk...@wdtv.com> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > On Saturday 02 May 2015 07:14:14 Mark Wendt wrote: > > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Gene Heskett <ghesk...@wdtv.com> wrote: > > > On Friday 01 May 2015 15:08:45 Mark Wendt wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Gene Heskett <ghesk...@wdtv.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Our bullfrogs here in MD are bowled over pretty easily too. ;-) > > > > > > I am glad you said that. If I had, there would have been a contract > > > out on me. > > > > ROFL! > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > I'm kinda partial to the Tek 7000 mainframe series. There are > > > > tons of plugins besides the horizontal and vertical amps from > > > > counters, to curve tracers to spectrum analyzers to you name it. > > > > > > Yeah, but you can't put it, a probe, and a usb cable to charge it > > > with, along with the DSO-1, in your polo shirt pocket. ;-) > > > > True dat. But your DSO-1, usb cable and probe can't do waveform > > calculations, curve tracing, spectrum analyzing or have up to 1 GHz > > bandwidth... ;-) > > Given the bw limit of about 4mhz, when I started out all those years ago, > the scope I inherited for a bench scope was a Hickok 505. Even that > trace could be mentally expanded to tell you a lot. Most folks see a > rounded top on a waveform at the grid of the tune and take it at face > value which to them is meaningless. But that rounded top needs to be > compared to the DC bias, something that AC coupled Hickok couldn't do. > But I learned early on that it was generally a sign of a tired tube, it > was drawing grid current when it wasn't supposed to be. If you know > what to expect, even that DSO-1 can tell you much more than the specs > would lead you to believe. > > Thats 100% mental, and thats what I seem to be decent at. > > > The 7000 series are lab scopes, that's for sure. But they sure are > > fun to work with, and for some things, pretty much essential. > > Besides, if you have enough of 'em, stick one permanently in the shop. > > Nobody sez ya gotta stop at just one! ;-) > > True, but that "lab" scope is not something you would want to slip a > couple pieces of big spaghetti on so you could close a transmitter door > on it, and standing on a plastic floor, proceed to use it to determine > the screen grid current flowing in a 4CX5000A modulator stage by > measuring the voltage drop across a 100 ohm 200 watt power resistor. > The scope is going to be sitting at nominally 1500 volts above ground, > > One hand in pocket is the rule for stuff like this folks, do NOT try it > at home. > > I once did that with a triple insulated 35 mhz dual trace phillips scope, > worked right well, and told me the tube was toast as during the sync > pulse, it was drawing nearly an amp of screen current, and the drop in > screen voltage was what was causing pretty extreme, uncompensatable > synch compression. > > The 4CX5000a is built as a shadow grid construction internally, and > because the screens wire is physically wound to be precisely behind the > control grid wires, exerting its fixed positive voltage as both an > electron accelerant and because its well bypassed at the rf frequency, > shields the control grid from the several thousand volts of rf swing on > the plate making it quite easy to neutralize. And it all works quite > well until something sneezes, causing one or more of those wires to > overheat and sag. At that point, it is no longer precisely in the > control grids shadow and starts intercepting the edge of the electron > stream going by. That self destruction cycle continues until a tube, > despite being able to handle the amperage in terms of plate current, is > effectively burnt toast. > > That was a teaching/learning moment for me. A fresh tube, at full power > will not draw more than 2.5 to 3 milliamps of screen current. And it > can run several thousand hours, but if, in the 2x an hour logging of the > meters, you note that this screen current is rising, order a fresh one > when the meter says 5 milliamps, you have about a month left because the > compression will become un compensatable by the time its showing 10 > milliamps. The synch tip time is 4.7 microseconds, out of every 63.xx > microseconds. All of that 10 milliamps average is drawn in that 7.4% of > the synch pulse time. > > > That being said, the 2000 series also make some pretty nice shop > > scopes, and are pretty portable, though not pocket protector-sized. > > That they were, once you had put a decent crt in them. But they are > loaded with stuff thats now made out of the purest unobtainium made. > > They also have a 3rd pin grounded power cord, and because the line bypass > filtering is so weak in breakdown voltage, such a stunt as I did with > that triple insulated Phillips couldn't even be considered with the tek. > You would probably, even if the 3rd pin was removed, have used the line > cord as a fuse when the whole tx power supply, usually capable of fusing > a 16 gauge wire, would be destroyed in a flash of light accompanied by > the sound of clearing bullding entrance breakers if the transmitters own > breakers aren't fast enough. One such incident on Fisher hill resulted > in replacing a 4 ton plate transformer. And a lot of other stuff that > damned near included me. The AK-225 breaker was expected to trip off by > dropping power to the undervoltage relay. But at nearly 50 years old, > it had sat there and buzzed gently until the springs failed & didn't > have enough left to pull the trigger on the opener knee. > > That too was made out of pure unobtainium in 1990 since it was then 40 > yo, so, knowing they were doing a major remodel on Mon General Hospital > in Morgantown, I drove up & talked to the jobsite super to see what they > might have. They had about 20 of them lined up for the recyclers, help > yourself. So I came home with 2 and made one good one out of the 4 I > then had. And WDTV-5 was back on the air in about 4.5 days, while I was > coming down with the shingles from being electrocuted bad enough for 2nd > degree burns. But he wasn't ready for me anymore than he was when I had > the pulmonary embolism at the end of May last year. > > Yeah, there is a goodly number of BTDT's in my log book. ;-) > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > > > Cheers, > > mark > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-------- One dashboard for servers and applications across > > Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with > > 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you > > Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing > > using APM Insight. > > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y > > _______________________________________________ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. 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