Dave thank you. Will also inform me import fees for Belgium 2016-02-27 17:03 GMT+01:00 Joe H <67p...@gmail.com>:
> Thanks Dave, Good information. > Joe > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Dave Cole <linuxcncro...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > The nut and screw are matched to each other and then they fit the nut to > > the screw with the proper sized balls. > > Usually they are purchased together as a set and you really don't want > > to take them apart unless it is necessary. > > You can have screws reground - I think that Thompson and Nook others do > > that in the US. > > I suspect that if you have a "standard" screw you might be able to fit a > > new nut to it, but then if the nut is shot, generally the screw also > > needs help. > > So what usually needs to be done is that the nut and screw need to be > > reconditioned as a set. > > I worked on a machine that had a bad screw and they got a quote from > > Thompson or Nook to have the screw and nut reconditioned and I think it > > was about half what a new > > set would have cost. > > > > Dave > > > > On 2/27/2016 9:47 AM, Joe H wrote: > > > Andy, > > > You linked a site that sells ball nuts. Is it possible to change a ball > > nut > > > only, assuming the screw has even wear? I realize that there are there > > are > > > considerations for mounting and such, but I had the feeling that the > > screw > > > and the nut were made as a set. > > > Sorry to interject slightly off topic, I'm trying to educate. > > > Thanks, > > > Joe > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Forum Deswysen < > > forum.deswy...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hello everyone, > > >> > > >> Before the servo failure, the precision of the machine was still in > the > > / > > >> 100 mm. > > >> Certainly due to the weight of the head. > > >> > > >> I'll start by changing the cables defective. > > >> Then we will dismantle the screw to examine. > > >> > > >> Thank you for your valuable advice. > > >> > > >> I will continue my work with linuxcnc. > > >> I retrofit a tour with Jon card. > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> > > >> Pierre > > >> > > >> 2016-02-27 5:37 GMT+01:00 Dave Cole <linuxcncro...@gmail.com>: > > >> > > >>> On Fanuc drives you need to be careful as bad or worn motor cable > > >>> insulation can easily take out a Fanuc drive. :-( > > >>> > > >>> Dave > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 2/26/2016 5:07 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote: > > >>>> I had to replace all of the servo power cables on a Fanuc 0i > > controlled > > >>> gantry router (only 10 years old). The insulation had hardened from > > oil > > >>> exposure, was badly cracked, and some of the conductors were broken. > > >> Made > > >>> for some rather erratic servo performance. > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>> From: r...@superiorroll.com > > >>>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" < > > >> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > >>>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 4:49:47 PM > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow > > >>>> > > >>>> I just replaced the power cables, not the encoder cables, and I > didn't > > >>> use shielded cable, I used the same stuff that is pictured. I used > 12/4 > > >> AWG. > > >>>> Rick > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -------- Original Message -------- > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow > > >>>> From: "Forum Deswysen" <forum.deswy...@gmail.com> > > >>>> Date: Fri, February 26, 2016 4:31 pm > > >>>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" < > > >> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > >>>> > > >>>> For Rick : > > >>>> > > >>>> A problem identified, thank you Rick. > > >>>> I will replace cables. > > >>>> > > >>>> You changed the power and encoder? > > >>>> > > >>>> Given the color and the type of cable, I do not think this is the > > >>> original > > >>>> cable. > > >>>> For power, did you use shielded cable? > > >>>> What section did you use > > >>>> > > >>>> Andy: > > >>>> > > >>>> I have another problem: > > >>>> > > >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NaTRkSlRWZVc4d2M > > >>>> > > >>>> I have a difference between 0.2-0.3 mm !!! > > >>>> > > >>>> 2016-02-26 20:43 GMT+01:00 Rick Lair <r...@superiorroll.com>: > > >>>> > > >>>>> You are seeing pretty much exactly the same issues that I was > having > > >>>>> with both of my machines, you have the A2100 control, and that was > > the > > >>>>> fault that I was getting on my machine, before I replaced the > cables. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> That is definitely physical damage on the X axis cable, but the > > >> damage I > > >>>>> am talking about is not visible,( someone step in if I botch this > up) > > >>>>> the insulation "breaks" down electrically, and as I take it, the > > drive > > >>>>> senses this somehow, and shuts down. On our machine with the 850SX, > > we > > >>>>> always saw X axis faults, when it was the Y or the Z being the > fault, > > >>>>> reason being, due to how the drive ready chain of logic in the > drives > > >>>>> was wired, it always saw the X drive as being faulted first. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Your machine is a carbon copy of my Sabre, in respect to drives and > > >>>>> controls. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Rick > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 2/26/2016 2:09 PM, Forum Deswysen wrote: > > >>>>>> I asked for your help because I had an axis error "CR_AXES_RDY" > > >>>>>> that caused the shutdown of the machine: > > >>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NSFlVNFZ6OFFpOGc > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Before we heard creaking on the screw axis Z ??? > > >>>>>> Therefore first I thought of a default of the screw. > > >>>>>> It's not that. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The servo failure comes and disappears after several cycles of the > > >>>>> machine > > >>>>>> ... > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Today for the re-started I removed the C3 logic supply connector > on > > >> the > > >>>>>> drive X: > > >>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NenExalJrM09ienc > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I do not understand where this intermittent failure? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I want to know before purchasing new engines for linuxcnc > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> 2016-02-26 19:59 GMT+01:00 Rick Lair <r...@superiorroll.com>: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> What error are you getting on the control, what is the machine > > >>> actually > > >>>>>>> doing? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I have the Sabre 750 which is a 1995 and has the A2100 control, > and > > >> we > > >>>>>>> also have a Lancer 1250 with the 850SX control, which is from > 1996, > > >>> the > > >>>>>>> Sabre has the Kollmorgen drive package, and the Lancer has the > Red > > >> Cap > > >>>>>>> Fanuc drive package. On both machines I have had to replace all > of > > >> the > > >>>>>>> servo motor power cables due to the wire insulation breaking down > > >>>>>>> internally, constant servo drive failures, ON BOTH MACHINES, I > had > > >>> all > > >>>>>>> the kollmorgen drives gone through, ( the problem started on the > > >>>>>>> kollmorgens, then it started on the Fanucs) thinking that those > > were > > >>> the > > >>>>>>> problem, before I got my insulation resistance tester out and > > >> checked > > >>>>>>> the cables, sure enough the cables were bad, and I ordered an > > entire > > >>>>>>> spool of cable and replaced all of them. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Have not had a single problem in over 2 1/2 years with either > > >> machine > > >>>>>>> since I did that. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Rick > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On 2/26/2016 1:46 PM, Forum Deswysen wrote: > > >>>>>>>> I'm going to do tests with a comparator in the motor spindle. > > >>>>>>>> Perfect, I no difference. > > >>>>>>>> So all is well with the ball screw !!! > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NNGdkYmo4WHRSSXM > > >>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NanpxT1hzaGxsYTg > > >>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8Nb2s5RmxyN2xMUm8 > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> The tolerance in the screw maybe just engine braking since the > > >>> machine > > >>>>>>>> was stopped > > >>>>>>>> and the head placed on its transport support. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Where does my axis error ??? > > >>>>>>>> This is an intermittent fault > > >>>>>>>> Not happy with this because I failed I could not complete an > order > > >>> for > > >>>>> a > > >>>>>>>> customer! > > >>>>>>>> I had to do the subcontract. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> 2016-02-26 17:45 GMT+01:00 Rick Lair <r...@superiorroll.com>: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> With about 95% certainty, all the milacron, lathes and > machining > > >>>>>>>>> centers, the ball nuts all sit in and bolt to the mounting > block > > ( > > >>> we > > >>>>>>>>> have at least a dozen Cincinnati Milacron machines, mix of > lathes > > >>> and > > >>>>>>>>> mills, from 1978 to 1996, and they all have the same > > >> configuration, > > >>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>> I have worked on all of them). Usually 4-6 bolts on both the > > block > > >>> and > > >>>>>>>>> the nut cartridge. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Rick > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On 2/26/2016 11:39 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> On 02/26/2016 08:00 AM, Forum Deswysen wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NSDhCTmpsWkk3aVU > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> This 3rd picture seems to show you indicating you can rock > > >>>>>>>>>> the screw forward/backward by 10 degrees. This would seem > > >>>>>>>>>> to indicate wear and looseness in the ballnut, or possibly > > >>>>>>>>>> in the mounting of the nut. it appears the block the nut > > >>>>>>>>>> sits in is NOT the actual ballnut, but a mount for it. So, > > >>>>>>>>>> you might see if the ballnut is no longer firmly mounted > > >>>>>>>>>> inside that mount. Some nuts are threaded on the outside, > > >>>>>>>>>> and screw into a threaded hole in the mounting block. Then, > > >>>>>>>>>> there needs to be something that locks the nut into the mount. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Others are bolted to the mount. These bolts could have > > >>>>>>>>>> loosened, possibly by stretching. if loose, you might > > >>>>>>>>>> replace the bolts. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Jon > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >>>>>>>>>> Site24x7 APM Insight: Get Deep Visibility into Application > > >>>>> Performance > > >>>>>>>>>> APM + Mobile APM + RUM: Monitor 3 App instances at just > > $35/Month > > >>>>>>>>>> Monitor end-to-end web transactions and take corrective > actions > > >> now > > >>>>>>>>>> Troubleshoot faster and improve end-user experience. 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