Gene,

3Nm is about 425 inch pounds.    Roughly 140 in oz to 1Nm

I went to school in the late 70's to early 80's and even then all the
science and engineering classes used metric.  I could not even tell you
what 1g is in Imperial units but it is just under 10 m/sec squared.

In theory freight is the same for any motor of about the same size and
power.

I'm looking for a motor to lift the Z-axis of a Harbor Freight minimill.
Almost every conversion I have seen with the mini mill the Z axis has the
worst performance.   In the design I'm using the z-motor is geared down 2:1
which means it spins faster so lower torque.   This may be the place use
the closed loop 3Nm motor.     I'll use a 5-pitch ball screw and 2:1
reduction timing belt drive.  This means the motor sees 10 pitch or .0005
per full step.  and then likely have to use 1/4 steps.     The X and Y axis
are pretty light weight, anything would work.

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Gene Heskett <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Saturday 27 May 2017 15:52:54 Chris Albertson wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Has anyone here experience with this?
> >
> > I think these are new.  I've seen them on some web sites and also
> > eBay.   I can't find any good engineering information yet, like user
> > manuals or speed/torque plots but the idea is great.
>
> I think so too.  But I am so used to thinking in in/lbs, and have never
> seen a formula or a chart that converts Nm to in/lbs, so I've no clue if
> they might be usable for me.  So what is 3Nm equ to?
>
> I haven't a clue if it would fit for the X drive on the Sheldon, and not
> hit the bed at 112mm long.  It would awfull close, little or no room for
> paint.
> >
> > They are an integrated closed loop driver/controller and motor.  The
> > feedback loop is done inside the motor. They are MUCH better at
> > holding torque at high speed than are normal steppers.  More like a
> > servo but at much lower cost.     The motor accepts DC power (about 36
> > volts) and step and direction.  Here is one example from eBay
> >
> > Building the driver into the motor is good.  For closed loop control
> > the driver must be matched to the motor so you would always buy them
> > in pairs anyway.  Placing them in one unit saves the need to run a lot
> > of wire and all the noise problems and lowers the over all cost.   The
> > driver cane made simpler and cheaper because it does not need to be
> > general purpose, it just drive the motor with known inductance and
> > resistance.
> >
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nema23-57BYG-Stepper-Motor-Integrated-Driver..
> >...
> > <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nema23-57BYG-Stepper-Motor-Integrated-Driver-
> >2-in-1-L112mm-3Nm-24-48VDC-CNC/192011640913?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1
> >851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40130%26me
> >id%3Dbc8047bd176346b9a8fbf5703256f1ef%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6
> >%26sd%3D262565354603>
> >
> > I saw a youtube video demo of one of these that showed it holding
> > position.  It was using almost no current and the motor was cool.  But
> > then if you apply force to the shaft the current zooms up to counter
> > the applied force, like a servo  Basically it IS a servo.  There is an
> > optical encoder.  The above web page has a block diagram.
> >
> > All the good info is in Chinese.  Perhaps someone here is good at
> > technical Chinese.  My wife can read only the very basic stuff and
> > Google translation is not so good.  I think these are designed and
> > sold into the Chinese domestic market hence no US sales office or
> > English technical documents.
> >
> > This eBay unit is cheaper than a conventional setup.    I think this
> > is the way things are moving
>
> I'm sure of it. That posted price is about $65 less than when I checked
> last.  So the switchover will be considerably speeded up unless the
> freight eats the difference.  And it does eat much of it at $38 freight
> from HongKong. That brings the per axis cost up to $126 for the 3Nm
> unit.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
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