Yes, that is true about Apple. I think it is a good analogy. In both cases Neither Tormach or Apple make it easy to run on 3rd party hardware and doing so is only for experts
Anyone have a link the PP? Especially PP source code? On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Martin Dobbins <tu...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Some folks just want to buy a cake NOW. <grin> Microsoft has educated the > world that way. > > > Apple doesn't support its OS on non- Apple hardware either, but people > still do it. > > > Path Pilot is not an operating system it is a front end user interface, > and I believe (as Andy says) that if someone sets themselves up with a > generic PC , a Mesa 5i25 , and a copy of Path Pilot from Tormach they would > be able to run it. I'll bet that if this setup is being used on anything > other than a Tormach mill or lathe, it will need some additional tweaking > for different machine parameters too. > > > Martin > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Chris Albertson > > Tormach says they don't support path pilot on 3rd party equipment. It > likely > depends on specialized hardware so it would not run without modification > and I don't think they have source code available. > > But what they did should serve as an example of what an open source > controller > could look like. Mach 4 could serve as a second example. > > I think it is clear that end users should never have to edit a text file. > Doing that > makes you a developer. I think this provides us with a way to think about > the current > state of LinuxCNC and Machinekit. They are systems that requires further > development by the user to install. Or they are not-quite complete > systems, > maybe like a cake mix, the user still has to add water stir and bake. > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:49 AM, John Dammeyer <jo...@autoartisans.com> > wrote: > > > MACH3 apparently won't run on 64bit machines without a parallel port. > > MACH4 > > was supposed to be the successor and support more of the 64bit machines > and > > external stepper engines. Not only that they have a licensing method > that > > is tied to the hardware and more expensive for commercial systems. > > In the Tormach case the LinuxCNC variant is probably tied to the motor > > hardware so replacing the PC and installing Path Pilot can be done > without > > a > > "Call Home" sequence. > > > > AS always. Follow the money. > > > > John > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Martin Dobbins [mailto:tu...@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: October-12-17 9:03 AM > > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MachineKit on the BeagleBone Black > > > > > > It was in response to comparisons being made to commercial software > such > > as > > > Apple, Microsoft, Google and Tormach. Money is not required to make > > > progress, it sometimes makes it faster, though. > > > > > > > > > The work that is going on right now to make Path Pilot run on any > machine > > that > > > can run Linuxcnc makes me think of those people who make > "hackintoshes". > > > Apple's operating system is priced low compared to Microsoft's (and > > arguably > > > works better), but it is designed to work with Apple's hardware and if > > someone > > > wants to put it on a system that isn't Apple they have to think of work > > arounds > > > to persuade the software that it is running on Apple hardware. > > > > > > > > > My guess is that Path pilot is probably easier to use than Mach 3 or > Mach > > 4 and > > > easier for Tormach to support which is why they made the decision to > > move > > > away from their previous software offerings. I don't know the facts, > but > > I > > > would bet that money made Path Pilot happen (relatively quickly) for > > Tormach. > > > > > > > > > Rather than run up against possible licensing issues, it would be nice > to > > see a > > > reverse engineer of Path Pilot possibly with changes to make it even > > better, that > > > comes as another choice of user interfaces to add to those already > > available. > > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > On 11 October 2017 at 22:30, Martin Dobbins <tu...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > What it needs is money, unfortunately. > > > > > > Why do you say that? 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