It sounds to me like a car radiator from a junked car would make a perfect
cooling tank and heat radiator.

Ken

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Dave Cole <linuxcncro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> RV antifreeze works well for things like this.  I have been using it for
> years in my bandsaw coolant tank.  It doesn't seem to go bad even after
> years and it doesn't evaporate much.
>
> For cooling, You might want to consider making a flat tank.  Two sheets of
> steel or alum spaced apart an inch or so and welded at the edges.   That
> would increase your surface area for cooling while not creating a huge tank
> volume wise.  Put the tank on edge and it won't take up much space.
>
>
> On 5/22/2018 5:34 PM, Bruce Layne wrote:
>
>> I've had two of the Chinese 2.2 KW water cooled spindles for the last few
>> years and have had no trouble with them.  I consider them to be a good
>> value.  Well worth the plumbing hassle, in my opinion.
>>
>> Be sure to use good quality very flexible tubing of the correct size.  I
>> think I got 8mm outside diameter tubing from McMaster-Carr (red for supply
>> and blue for return).  I use pink RV antifreeze as the coolant.  It's used
>> full strength and not diluted.  I use it in the hope that it's less
>> corrosive than water.  Neither machine's coolant has had any rust or other
>> issues, although there was a slight film of oil that's flushed out of the
>> spindle motor.  I'm not worried about it freezing because one of the CNC
>> routers is in an attached garage and the other is in my basement, and
>> neither get very cold.  I'd actually be more worried about the machine
>> rusting if it was in a condensing environment, and the CNC routers are
>> mostly aluminum.
>>
>> I mounted a thin liquid crystal thermometer on the spindle facing the
>> operator so I can tell at a glance if the spindle overheats. These liquid
>> crystal strip thermometers are readily available on eBay and are sold for
>> reptile terrariums.  I buy a bunch of them and put them in electrical
>> panels, etc.
>>
>> I haven't finished wiring it yet, but the production machine will have a
>> 130F bimetallic button thermal switch siliconed to the spindle motor
>> housing and wired into the e-stop circuit to shut everything down if the
>> spindle overheats.
>>
>> The Huanyang VFD produces a lot of electrical noise, apparently mostly
>> radiated.  I used ultra flexible shielded four conductor cable (three
>> phases plus ground) to keep the cable from radiating much energy.  The only
>> place I had an RFI problem was the VGA monitor and a good quality VGA cable
>> fixed that problem.
>>
>> On the larger router, I tried to place a five gallon coolant tank under
>> the router and pump the coolant up and then back down to the spindle
>> motor.  I was partly motivated by not wanting a leak that siphoned the five
>> gallon coolant tank empty.  After some experimentation, I gave up and put
>> the coolant tank on top of the CNC router enclosure.  When it was
>> underneath, I needed to use such a large pump to have enough pressure to
>> pump the coolant six feet vertically that the submerged coolant pump was
>> heating the coolant more than the spindle.  It was a spindle heater, not a
>> spindle cooler.
>>
>> We're finally ramping up production, with some programs running
>> unattended for ten hours.  I'm going to need to add a radiator in the
>> coolant return line and a couple of muffin fans to keep the coolant
>> temperature low enough.  The other alternative might be ten or fifteen more
>> gallons of coolant to increase the thermal mass, but that seems to only
>> delay the overheating problem with greater risk of a severe coolant leak.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/22/2018 03:18 PM, Roland Jollivet wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking at getting one of those 2.2kW air or water cooled spindles +
>>> VFD kits out there for a router.
>>> I'm not worried about the noise difference between the two types.
>>>
>>> Has anyone taken apart a water cooled spindle?
>>> How are they doing the cooling? Is it a water jacket or just some copper
>>> tubing inside?
>>> How likely is it to leak in a few months time?
>>> I can only find one video describing leaks and water related shorts etc.
>>> (so they must be good?)
>>>
>>> I actually prefer the idea of using air-cooled and making ducting to take
>>> the exhaust away from the spindle nose. Make a closed loop fan-assisted
>>> air
>>> duct.
>>> The irony is that I want to use flood cooling on the work. (composite
>>> material)  So it won't be a dry environment.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Roland
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