On Tuesday 29 June 2021 03:39:08 Robert Murphy wrote: > Look John, > > Part of backlash towards the Code of Conduct in the beginning, I think > it was 2018 that it really became public, was whether code was based > on merit or who wrote it. Now that goes against the grain of OSS. I > accept that my views can be a “bit out there”, but I wish no harm to > anyone for any reason, with of course the exception of causing harm to > those close to me, but when certain squeaky wheels start pushing their > views and the law makers make laws because of their yells and screams > I’ll speak out.
As will I > I agree the “too much help” bit is strange and is > open to interpretation. On the web forums many times I and others have > had to give instruction on basic Linux usage. Could this be seen > beyond the scope of Linuxcnc support ? What about basic machining > questions ? > At the end of the day is it the recipient of such advice decides if it > is too much ? Or is there something tangible that can be used as a > yardstick ? Personally I rarely think much of where a person comes > from when answering a query on the forum.I do try to guess their level > of Linux experience when trying to help with hardware issues. > When > this was first announced on the forum I asked for my account to be > deleted due to my opinions on the matter. Some more experienced and > level headed members suggested “don’t be a rude dill” or something > along those lines and you’ll be fine. Why have to mention certain > “protected groups” , as has been used in common parlance and used in > laws ? Why not just say don’t by a rude dill to anyone for any reason > ? Then everyone knows to be decent to everyone else. > As much as I may seem like a knuckle dragging bogan, sorry for the > Aussie slang, I’m not. If someone needs help all I see them as is > someone who needs help. Tho I will admit mistaking someone for being a > scammer and being a smart alec. I was admonished and I’m a little bit > dignified. > Just to restate those that are suffering with issues have my sympathy, > but those that use it as a cudgel and shield to bully others is not > on. Everyone’s publicly made ideas, opinions and statements are open > to criticism. Part of the Code of Conduct was to get more “minorities” > into OSS projects. Whereas what is required is the best people suited > to each project. Absolutely. Like sitting milk, the cream of the expertise WILL rise to the top. Our willingness to help those newbies about to do something we know is unproductive or even dangerous, should not be used as a cudgel against our further attempts to teach. That rule needs to go. > Composed with my Crayons > > > On 29 Jun 2021, at 16:57, R C <cjv...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I agree with you John, and what some others said on here, about > > this coc thing ... > > > > > > > > I have been lurking on here for a good long while, and asked some > > questions lately... but I think I can say that I have never really > > seen anything mean/inappropriate posted here (although I don't > > meticulously read everything) .. > > > > so, probably like others, I thought .. "where did that came from?" > > Well, I guess some are just more pro-active/creative than I am, you > > know, "just in case" or something like that. > > > > > > Ron > > > > On 6/29/21 12:43 AM, John Dammeyer wrote: > >>> From: Robert Murphy [mailto:robert.mur...@gmx.com] > >> > >> <SNIP> > >> > >>> I have a feeling this post maybe violating the Code of Conduct. > >> > >> Your post violates the spirit of what LinuxCNC and open source > >> forims is all about and IMHO there is no place for that on this > >> forum. > >> > >> I want to learn from experienced people who are gracious enough to > >> lend their time and knowledge to not only improve LCNC but also > >> teach and help others use and perhaps in the future develop > >> 'features'. > >> > >> My issue with that one line in that CoC, which is a negative for > >> that a new user, or an old one who is forgetful which comes with > >> age. The problem is: > >> > >> "When you don't know what you don't know it's very difficult to > >> look up information and separate the good from the bad". > >> > >> This is where the 'experts' come in. My Shuttle Express was the > >> perfect example of how it would have worked perfectly on my 2.7.14 > >> PC based system but was badly broken on the 2.8.1 Pi4. It took a > >> lot of coaching and reading and studying and trying things until I > >> finally had the correct motion. But without the support I would > >> have bailed. I learned a lot in the process. > >> > >> But a short 4 word answer condensed down to RTFM only helps those > >> who already know because they don't have to wade through wordy > >> replies or questions. > >> > >> I'll leave that subject with this old saw. "Those that can do, > >> those that can't teach" which is the biggest pile of rubbish coined > >> but those who 'can' but haven't got a clue how to teach and rather > >> than look stupid made up the phrase. IMHO that one line is penned > >> in by those who have forgotten that. > >> > >> John Dammeyer > >> > >>>> On 29/6/21 3:13 pm, R C wrote: > >>>>> On 6/28/21 10:53 PM, Robert Murphy wrote: > >>>>> Coraline Ada Ehmke is a blight, he's just a trouble maker that > >>>>> likes to throw his weight around. > >>>> > >>>> I had to google that...�� now I am confused� .... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "based in Chicago <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago>, > >>>> Illinois <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois>. 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