The socket doesn't have a groove and it's very heavy.  The wrench uses a 
retaining ring like in this video
https://youtu.be/8RmhBd1wcEA
but I don't think there's a rubber Oring underneath it.   
I'll report back once the 12 point arrives.  The 6 point is useless for the 
other reasons I've mentioned.
John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net]
> Sent: November-23-21 4:04 AM
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.
> 
> On Tuesday 23 November 2021 02:47:59 andy pugh wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 01:05, John Dammeyer <jo...@autoartisans.com>
> wrote:
> > >   Likely why the set screw works loose after a number of cycles.
> >
> > I am surprised that the air wrench doesn't have the usual ball-detente
> > to retain the socket.
> 
> I have seen some that utilize a spring encircling the end of the driver
> square, and it works moderately well, with sockets made with an internal
> cutaway at the bottom of the square well.
> 
> But we haven't seen a pix of his setup w/o the socket.
> 
> Satire intended: Thats I think to encourage the sales of sockets using
> that scheme, also convieniently made by the wrench peddlar of course.
> 
> That could be Johns problem. In that case John, you may be able to
> machine the socket or better a new one to utilise that retainer method,
> but take care, too deep a groove and the socket may be stuck on forever.
> Show us a closeup pix with the socket removed.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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