So there are two boards, power and control and you suspect the control board is bad? If there is an obvious interface, like maybe the VF signal is created by the low voltage board then the valuable part of the controller still works. The trouble is reverse-engineering the interface.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 1:04 PM Todd Zuercher <to...@pgrahamdunn.com> wrote: > Gene, > > If you think you could fix it I'd be more than willing to send the old > drive to you to work on it. I am certainly not a CET, but there isn't any > obvious failures from something blowing up or overheating, and the caps > show no visible swelling or leaking. > > The drive had been acting up for the past couple months. When the machine > would be first powered on (throwing disconnect) the drive would not "turn > on" right away "Power" LED on the front of the drive would not light up, > even though the drive had power on all 3 phases. If the machine was left > turned on for an extended period of time (a half hour or maybe more) > eventually the drive would power up and work correctly. This drive has no > display other than a row of 5 LEDs for fault and power indication. None of > the alarm indicators have ever have shown anything. Last week it stopped > working completely. We are of the opinion the problem probably likes in > the low voltage board and won't be easily found. > > Todd Zuercher > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > 630 Henry Street > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > -----Original Message----- > From: gene heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 2:33 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Hight Frequency VFD > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 11:38:47 EDT Todd Zuercher wrote: > > Anyone know a good place to purchase a high frequency VFD? We had the > > drive in one of our CNCs die. The old drive was a HSD DS15000. The > > spindle is an 18kw 24000rpm 4pole HSD router motor. > > A 2 pole motor should run 24k revs on a 400 hz drive. 30k on 500 hz. > A 4 pole then should run 12k on 400hz, and 30k on 1000hz. Since motors > are made in pole counts of a power of two, a 4 pole should run at 24k at > 800hz. > > > The old drive is > > rated for 1-1000hz and that seems to be the problem, all of the off > > the shelf drives I can find are limited to output frequencies less > > than 500hz which would limit our spindles top speed to only 15000rmp. > > Our machine builder quoted us for a Yaskawa V1000 drive with 1000hz > > firmware (model# VU4A0038FAA-134) that they do have in stock but they > > are marking up their price to more than double the normal list price > > for that drive. Every other place I've checked with so far are > > quoting us months long lead times for that drive. > > Putting on my Certified lectronics Technician hat, how about fixing that > drive? > > Unless the motor has developed shorted turns, the inductance of all 3 > windings s/b within 5% of each other, mucking up the impedance of a > winding, which might blow some output bugs, the most common failure is the > big filter caps which most chinese drive makers claim should be changed at > 5 year intervals due to ESR growth. That of course leads to heating and is > self feeding until the cap vents or even explodes. They are what stores the > relatively slow 60 hz rectified power, making it available at the high > frequencies these motors need. > > So, whats wrong with that drive? Open it up and take a look, Todd. Any > sign of a bulged top/bottom or even a whitish leakage condemns them to > replacement with fresh ones, probably from the capacitors orginal maker. > The original vendor of the drive may have them too but his will likely be > as old as the ones you're looking at, so go to the capacitor maker, they'll > be fresher. > > If you have an ESR meter, those should certainly read, with a 4 terminal > measurement, well under half an ohm which I'd call instant grounds for > replacement. .1 ohm or lower would be even better. 2 lead measurements will > swamp out at much higher readings because of the lead ohmage. A 4 lead > measurement sends the exitation signal down one set if leads, and reads the > result from another set of leads, both leads hitting a single connector per > src/load, so they only read the capacitor, not the test leads. > > Such an ESR meter should be in your kit Todd, but lock it up when not in > use, they aren't $175 cheap like the two lead version made by a guy in > KC-MO I've used for nearly 4 decades now in lower powered electronics. > > Its literally as useful as sliced bread or bottled beer on the test bench. > [...] > > ask nicely and then maybe they might sell you a drive with the > > "special" HF firmware. > > You've already got one, fix it. For 20% of a new ones cost. Or less... > > > Todd Zuercher > > P. 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