Hi Chris, I've book marked your posting. https://forum.linuxcnc.org/pathpilot/45286-pathpilot-v2-source-code?start=30 Looking forward to see if you get a link to the code. John
> -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > Sent: January-25-23 2:11 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running PathPilot on non-Tormach Machines > > The root of the issue here is that LCNC is not a product. It is a > development environment where a person can, with some effort, develop a > product. > > Then the problem is that as a group, machinists tend not to have computer > skills or much interest in learning computer skills. What we see on this > email list is the one-in-the-thousand exception. Most machinists just want > to make parts and not futz with the tools, especially if the tools involve > computers. > > We are still in a transition period. Today most machinists are older men > who actually hate and resent CNC. They spent a lifetime learning to turn > handwheels and now some voodoo-magic boxes they don't understand completely > outclasses their hard-won skill. The new class of machinist are > different. They are more like engineers then blue color factory > machinists. These new guys see g-code as the product and parts as the > byproduct and most of this new generation is not used to making anything by > hand. > > We are still in the transitional period where we see a mix of the old guys > who have adapted to new ways, new people who have never made anything by > hand and the few of us on this list who actualy like to mess with tools. > > Torrmach did a good thing by turning LCNC into a marketable product. > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 1:30 PM John Dammeyer <jo...@autoartisans.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Todd, > > First of all that LCNC can run 8 head/spindle gang... machine has nothing > > to do with the subject line. > > > > And the grumble I often hear from people who have attempted or looked into > > LinuxCNC for their system is nicely summarized by your statement: > > > > " Linuxcnc isn't for everyone. The companies willing to support and hold > > the hand of a green noob who isn't interested in learning anything, charge > > accordingly." > > > > Or as generally interpreted by most: "F Off if you are a green noob and > > can't figure out LCNC or Linux" > > > > Personally I think the theme of the original post and conversation was how > > easy is it to create a turnkey system that runs Path Pilot on non Tormach > > Hardware. > > > > IMHO, a lot more people would be interested in LCNC if there was a simple > > easy to follow, step by step method of setting up a 4 axis mill. The > > menu's for setting up motors etc. in AXIS either for the parallel port > > (almost extinct) or the MESA boards is really good but doesn't go far > > enough. > > > > There are a few youtube videos out there that show how to select motors > > based on mass of the system and acme or ball screw or belt reduction. But > > the learning curve is steep and is just easier with systems that are not > > LCNC. > > > > John > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com] > > > Sent: January-24-23 11:45 AM > > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running PathPilot on non-Tormach Machines > > > > > > I'd like see the retrofit CNC package on the market (other than > > Linuxcnc) that can run an 8 head/spindle gang > > > router, with individual Z axis and VFD control for each spindle. I'm > > sorry but freedom of customization comes > > > at the cost of complexity. If you want the freedom to be able to > > use/run almost anything, you're going to > > > have to know something about both the hardware and software. You want > > simple buy some simple 4 axis all > > > in one stepper box and plug it in. > > > > > > Linuxcnc isn't for everyone. The companies willing to support and hold > > the hand of a green noob who isn't > > > interested in learning anything, charge accordingly. > > > > > > Todd Zuercher > > > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > > > 630 Henry Street > > > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > > > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John Dammeyer <jo...@autoartisans.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 1:39 PM > > > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running PathPilot on non-Tormach Machines > > > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > > > > > > From: Andy Pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > > > > > On 24 Jan 2023, at 15:38, ken.stra...@sympatico.ca wrote: > > > > > > > > > > But seriously, in my opinion a major impediment to the widescale > > > > > adoption of LinuxCNC is the lack of an appealing and intuitive UI. > > > > > > > > There are around 12 user interfaces. Are you saying that they are > > _all_ terrible? > > > > > > > > > > I'll jump in on this one. They are _all_ great and they are _all_ > > terrible. > > > > > > Imagine your average home shop machinist. His kids are finally out the > > door and he's at an income level > > > where he's got his lathe with a DRO and he just bought a small mill. He > > starts looking at CNC. > > > > > > At work and at home he uses Windows. And he's bought into the free > > Fusion 360 con job for CAD/CAM and is > > > now looking at how to add CNC to his mill. > > > > > > OMG. What a hodge podge of systems. > > > > > > So he starts on the various groups looking for what is available > > including even AliExpress which has CNC boxes > > > for $300. > > > > > > Not having used CNC before and not knowing anyone local the youtube > > videos become his other source of > > > information and education. The most interesting ones appear to be ones > > with 10's of thousands of > > > subscribers that in fact are really long mostly to have multiple > > advertisers. But at the time he's not aware that > > > the videos are short on information, long on con for supporting lots of > > advertising. > > > > > > IMHO, the more advertisements in really long videos the more likely the > > poster is there to monetize than to > > > actually provide useful help. How interesting to watch a milling > > cutter for 2 minutes go back and forth > > > making chips. Oh, and now another advertisement. > > > > > > So someone on a forum recommends MESA. > > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.mesanet.com%2Findex.php%3F > > > > > > route%3Dproduct%2Fproduct%26path%3D83_84%26product_id%3D215&data=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgra > > > hamdunn.com > > %7C040364ad9343477cf2fb08dafe3a6977%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0% > > > > > > 7C0%7C638101824085494729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL > > > > > > CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=QsuaNDdgukaAklsVBzraskOqkJrgDYP%2B7 > > > e9BcWa62nI%3D&reserved=0 > > > Hmm. Out of stock. And even if it were, there's no diagram like the > > ACORN one. So no idea where to start... > > > > > > Oh but then someone suggests > > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.mesanet.com%2Findex.php%3F > > > > > > route%3Dproduct%2Fproduct%26product_id%3D381%26search%3D7i92&data=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgra > > > hamdunn.com > > %7C040364ad9343477cf2fb08dafe3a6977%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0% > > > > > > 7C0%7C638101824085494729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL > > > > > > CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lNSWiCwuqqIMsYjHAEfR9JqJAjsWNK9DeF > > > 9GsKztVJg%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > Now I need to wire to it. A suggestion comes up for two of these and > > cheap too. > > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aliexpress.com%2Fitem%2F33 > > > 015669728.html&data=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com > > %7C040364ad9343477cf2fb08dafe3a697 > > > > > > 7%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C638101824085494729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpb > > > > > > GZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7 > > > C&sdata=LclFcxiqe05h7ZMNmrFS3%2Fri1wQ7cRfBl1KFG0z51OQ%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > Next motors and power supplies. What to buy? People rave about these > > new step-servos. One brand in > > > particular. But what size? Direct coupled or with belts and pulleys? > > > > > > So back to the internet and youtube. Ah, this guy has a mill like > > mine. He used the Leadshine step servos and > > > ACORN. Ordered, installed as per the youtube video. Making chips. > > > > > > And he doesn't have to wade through deciding which of _all_ 12 or so > > LCNC user interfaces to use. > > > > > > The above is I think the typical thought processes. > > > > > > I'm still using AXIS. Can't be bothered to spend the time trying to > > figure out whether I should spend $400 for a > > > touch screen HDMI 21" screen or some other user interface. Really miss > > the MACROs from MACH3 though. I > > > think that's what's called the conversational interface on Tormach? > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistin > > > fo%2Femc- > > > users&data=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com > > %7C040364ad9343477cf2fb08dafe3a6977%7C57585 > > > > > > 44c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C638101824085494729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJ > > > > > > WIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=R3 > > > B7SVuYgzAgLRBVbhziV0q1g1QJi0lI1vbmlsoWvsA%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > -- > > Chris Albertson > Redondo Beach, California > > _______________________________________________ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
