On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:08 AM Александр Гурьянов <[email protected]> wrote:
> Let's look closer to my case. I ported C++ game Vangers to the web ( > https://www.gamepix.com/play/vangers). Vangers community did big work to > integrate vange-rs (rust 3d render, based on wgpu) and Vangers game. It > works as follow: > 1. Vange-rs provide c ffi interface > 2. Vange-rs compiled with rust to static library > 3. Vangers linked with Vanger-rs to executable > > Now I want to port vangers + (vange-rs render) to the web. wgpu didn't > support wasm32-unknown-emscripten, I added experimental support for > emscripten and it works. BUT, wgpu is developing to fast, so my changes > become outdated very fast :) > > When I implement support for emscripten, I only disabling wasm32-unknown > rules and uses native code paths everywhere. So, it's little bit strange, > to work with emscripten you need to disable workarounds for wasm32. > emscripten emulates native platform, so code that correctly uses posix > system should work also in emscripten. > > Maybe there is any way to just use native static library and link it with > emscripten? Like this: > 1. Compile vange-rs static library (with native triple) > 2. Compile vangers project with emscripten > 3. Link 1+2 with emscripten > > (1) would compile to x86, though, I think? We have to have wasm to link with emscripten. > for (1.) I can't use emscripten triple because of #[cfg] rules for wasm32 > target, they select wrong code path (non-native). > > Hmm, I don't know enough rust to know what fixing that would mean... Overall for an emscripten port I think we would want to use a native build as much as possible? That is, ideally you would *not* use vange-rs/WebGPU, but one of the native rendering paths (OpenGL of some flavor? Or perhaps they have Dawn/WebGPU support?). And you would need to tell rust to use the emscripten triple while doing so. That should work, in theory. If it doesn't and Rust has some issues with how it invokes emcc to link, then the workaround could be what I mentioned for Zig and C before: get Rust to link to a static library, and then run emcc manually on that. (Alternatively, in theory someone could look into supporting wasm-bindgen + emscripten.) - Alon > пт, 14 янв. 2022 г. в 07:54, Alon Zakai <[email protected]>: > >> Thanks, good to know at least 2 people would read a post about this :) >> I'll try to find time for it. >> >> About Rust, I haven't had time to look into it yet. My general hope is >> that the same model as for C and Zig could work: >> >> 1. Tell Rust to use the emscripten wasm triple. >> 2. Tell Rust to compile to object files (or a static library, basically), >> and *not* to link them. >> 3. The user runs emcc on those object files, linking them. >> >> The nice thing in this model is that C/Zig/Rust does not need to be aware >> of emcc at all here (aside from telling LLVM to use the emscripten triple). >> And it's easy to do this, at least in C and Zig (although there are some >> subtle ABI questions). >> >> This is actually the main thing I wanted to do before writing the post - >> ideally I'd have a Rust demo alongside C and Zig - so if someone figures >> that out, let me know! >> >> - Alon >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 2:06 AM Александр Гурьянов <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> +1 for blog post. Not clear how I can use it with rust, e.g. can I >>> compile static lib with target --wasm32-unknown-unknown and then link using >>> emscripten? The main problem with RUST is that it even can't compile with >>> --wasm32-unknown-emscipten (because of lib dependencies that not support >>> emscripten) >>> >>> чт, 13 янв. 2022 г. в 16:46, Floh <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> That's a very useful gist, Alon! I think that blog post would be much >>>> appreciated by a lot of people who like to tinker with other languages :) >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, 12 January 2022 at 19:32:04 UTC+1 [email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 25, 2021 at 6:02 AM Floh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ah, language and toolchain interoperability, one of my favourite >>>>>> topics ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> Zig has nearly the same problems as Rust: it allows to compile to >>>>>> WASM, it has both a WASI and Emscripten target, with the WASI target >>>>>> working out of the box, but I gave up on the Emscripten target because I >>>>>> just couldn't get it to work. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I wrote up a demo of Zig + Emscripten here: >>>>> >>>>> https://gist.github.com/kripken/58c0e640227fe5bac9e7b30100a2a1d3 >>>>> >>>>> That uses GLES3 and Asyncify from Emscripten, so it's a small program >>>>> but it uses interesting features. >>>>> >>>>> The gist also shows using C in the same way, where Emscripten is just >>>>> the linker, not the frontend. >>>>> >>>>> I've been meaning to do the same with Rust and write a blogpost about >>>>> all 3 but haven't found the time... >>>>> >>>>> - Alon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> IMHO it would be great if the Javascript shims and interop could be >>>>>> somehow split out of the Emscripten SDK into a separate, smaller >>>>>> "webapi-wasm-tools" SDK which could be better integrated with other >>>>>> language toolchains. The goal should be that other programming languages >>>>>> can benefit from the work that went into the Emscripten SDK to access web >>>>>> APIs like WebGL, WebGPU, WebAudio etc... up to "EM_JS()" functionality, >>>>>> instead of having to duplicate this work, or requiring a separate >>>>>> installation of the whole Emscripten SDK. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's a very promising project https://github.com/schellingb/wajic >>>>>> by Bernhard Schelling which has the same goals and which was used to port >>>>>> Mattias Gustavsson's DOS-like library to the web: >>>>>> https://mattiasgustavsson.com/wasm/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway... just my 2 cents :) >>>>>> -Floh. >>>>>> On Friday, 24 December 2021 at 15:16:23 UTC+1 caiiiycuk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi! Just want to share my experiment with using Rust and >>>>>>> WebAssembly. I tried to port Vange-rs project (rust + wgpu) to browser. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> used emscripten and unknown platforms. Both finally works, but have lot >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> obstacles. 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