On 03/29/2015 12:14 PM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: > On 29.03.15 17:53, [email protected] wrote: > > Hi! > > > Enigmail 1.8.1 causes me and users I support some pain at the > > moment. > > > I don't want to ignite any (probably futile) usability > > discussions. Still I would like to suggest a few things: > > > > 1. When you introduce a new toolbar, make sure, it's not hidden > > after the upgrade. (You might also consider moving the two > > important buttons to the main toolbar ans leave the rest on the > > enigmail toolbar. IMHO it's ok to do this without asking for > > permission.) > > There is no way the toolbar could be hidden after the upgrade, unless > localstore.rdf is broken (which is a *very* old Mozilla bug, for which > there is no workaround). You cannot even delete localstore.rdf while > Thunderbird is started. > > > 2. Make the "protocol" menu entry less ambiguous. When it says > > "protocol: inline PGP", does that mean I will use inline PGP now - > > or only after I clicked on the entry? It's not clear because menu > > entries are not good for toggling. (Ideas: 1. Change the text to > > something precise like "message will be sent as..." 2. Put a > > tickmark in front of it. 3. Probably best solution: Create a > > submenu with all available options. No extra clicks here.) > > Fixed in v1.9. I think we need to re-think this protocol question: if the user selects either (a PGP Signature or PGP Encryption or both) and (the message is in HTML format) then the user needs to use PGP/MIME and that should be the automatic default. certainly OK to have a switch to change the message to plain-text and shift to PGP/Inline but at this point I think most eMail messages are written in HTML.
as things stand I have to go back to the Enigmail dialog and re-select PGP-MIME each time I want to use it. Not Good. > > >3. Passphrase caching without external tools. Seriously. > > > Non-functional passhprase caching frustrates users like nothing > > else. > > > Yes, there is pgp-agent. Yes, there is this gnome-keyring-thingy. > > The latter makes KDE-users mad, is most probably rarely in use > > anyway, and causes a lot of pain whenever it doesn't work. The > > first needs configuration in at least one textfile in a hidden > > subdirectory. (And possibly deactivation of the latter, which might > > kill it after it started up with the X11-session. Haven't figured > > it out yet.) > > > Yes, in the linux world you want to leave work and decisions to > > tools which were made for that very kind of work or decision. Love > > the idea. > > > On the other hand you want *some* things to "just work". I belive, > > e-mail encryption belongs to these kinds of things. > > > So, in my opinion, there should be a setting to cache the > > passphrase in enigmail and ignore any passphrase manager. It should > > be set by default. (Of course there will be complaints about this, > > because this is not the "right" way...) > > GnuPG 2.x does not and will not work without a tool that implements > the functionality of gpg-agent. It's not possible to not use an > external tool. That's not the decision of Enigmail, but of GnuPG. In > theory, Enigmail could implement its own gpg-agent, but that would > most likely be even worse in GnuPG 2.1 because gpg-agent now does a > lot more than just passphrase handling. > > Even though I'd like to do that, it's simply impossible to fix broken > installations from within Enigmail. There are at least 4 different > tools in various versions that somehow implement gpg-agent > functionality and/or interfere with gpg-agent. I know of > gnome-keyring, seahorse-agent, KDE wallet manager, > mate-keyring-daemon, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were more. > About the same is true for pinentry. > > -Patrick > > > > _______________________________________________ > enigmail-users mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: > https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net -- /Mike
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