On Tue 2015-05-26 14:56:35 -0400, Mike Acker wrote:

> the question to be settled is "do I trust the key?"   completely?  
> possibly?   or I have no resason to trust it at all.

No, this is *not* the question.  Ownertrust and User ID Validity are two
different things, and enigmail should not conflate them.

Ownertrust applies to primary keys, and answers the question "am i
willing to rely on identity certifications made by this key?"

User ID Validity applies to <primary-key,user-id> pairings, and answers
the question "do i believe that the person referred to by this User ID
controls this key?"

> This is related to the trust level and you derive that from the
> previous signatures attached to the key -- or from your own knowlege.

The "trust level" is GnuPG's "ownertrust", which is *not* derived from
the certifications attached to the key.

> I would sign the key if I meant to help the other party to build trust
> in their key.    but I don't see that I would then upload their public
> key,-- I don't see how that would work unless the key-server combines my
> update with whatever she already has up there....   I don't think that
> happens

That is exactly what happens on the keyservers.  They merge
certifications.

> anymore than uploading a revoke key will automatically invalid the key
> that I have on the server.  I have to depend on the other party
> checking for a revoke signature -- "AFIK"

I'm having a hard time understanding what you're recommending here, or
if you're reporting a problem that needs fixing.

If Alice imports her revocation certificate for her key A, and then
uploads the revoked key to the keyservers, then anyone who fetches key A
From the keyservers (either by "gpg --refresh" or by pulling it down
specifically) will see that Alice's key is revoked.

> the one thing that we should not do is dilute the mechanism

I don't know what this means.

> I'm on Enigmain 1.8.2 using LMDE/2 MINT right now -- I can't sign a key
> using ENIGMAIL; I have to use command line.   I don't mind doing that by
> the dialog should get fixed sometime .

This sounds like a separate bug report.  Please either start a new
thread about it here on the mailing list, or file a bug at
https://sourceforge.net/p/enigmail/bugs.

Hope this helps clear things up,

        --dkg

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