On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:50:16 -0500 Ibukun Olumuyiwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
my quote for this mail: "can't we just all get along?" ok everyone back off on the harsh language and mails. first. ETK is in PROTO... i repeat - PROTO. PROTO PROTO PROTO PROTO = PROTOTYPE proto is a playground for code - a place to play with ideas IN code that can be shared and looked at and commented on. secondly - moom isnt such an excited newcomer - he's been around for a while. has likely contributed to about as much code as you have. everyone here (i guess other than me) was a newcomer once. is this project an ivory tower? or a bazaar? i can tell you - we dont have the resources to be an ivory tower. i sure as hell don't have the time. i barely have the time to deal with mail (like this one) and somewhere inbetween get some code done. if we want to "manage" this ivory tower - who is going to fulltime do that? who? thats going to snarf one DEDICATED* person for their entire available time - i guarantee it now. and what if they go away like about 98%** of people who come to contribute for a week, then vanish do? if etk stay a play thing for simon and no one else ever wants to use it - well that is a vote by the "public" as to if they want it or not (the public being developers). if people jump on it and use it everywhere suddenly - then well thats a vote for it. if this spurrs freindly competition then BOTH EWL AND ETK benefit. you may not rememebr or know of the days when e competed directly with windowmaker, version for versions we played tit-for-tat feature games. you know - we BOTH BENEFITTED. benefits are more than just plain code - ideas, solutions and just swapping compliments and encouragement are GREAT MOTIVATORS. now if we can all be adult enough to agree to disagree and not turn this into a schoolyard spat wtih hairpulling in the mud pit***, and get ALONG benefit from competition. if someoen wanted to compet with evas and made a credible replacement and eventually even made something better - i'd say "good on you". it woudl either make me go "thank GOD i dont have to work on evas anymore - time to port" OR, it'd put the fire under my arse to move evas along and do a lot of thgins i've put off on the todo list to improve it to compete. i dont believe in protectionism. i am a big believer of darwinism and competition. if it werent for that we, as humans, would not exist**** * that means 10-30 hrs a week of managing mail, organising people, watching they do what they said they would and kicking them when they dont ** figure pulled out of arse - beware. *** it may be a mud pit - but i dont want to see any of us in bikinis. no offence! :) **** i am assuming we wont get into any theological arguments, but if we do - at least it's diverted this thread to something more productive :) now as the president in mars attacks said: "can't we just all.... get along!" ** BOOM ** > I say *no*. This ETK serves nothing other than to impede progress, > introduce confusion and serve one particular author's specific > needs/wants. If you guys really think ETK is the greatest thing since > sliced bread, please start another SF project for it. This is not > serving the Enlightenment project any good. Over three years of solid > work and experience have been put into EWL by hardworking developers, > and up to this point nobody has been able to come up with any semblance > of a valid reason why it should be replaced by some upstart piece of > code rudely thrown into CVS by an excited newcomer. This needs to go > away, plain and simple. Any other decision would be utterly immature, > anarchistic and ultimately catastrophic for the E project as a whole. I > appreciate Nathan's modesty in wanting to permit others to "do their > thing", but last I checked, this was the Enlightenment project, not an > international code obfuscation competition. You play with the team, or > you don't. > > Ibukun > > shadoi wrote: > > I've been thinking a lot about this whole EWL/ETK mess. Is there ANY > > way for these two projects to co-exist? Even share some of the same > > code? Could ETK be merged with EWL (perhaps have separate name spaces > > for each API under EWL?), at least then, applications can still link to > > EWL but use either API style. That is what we're talking about mainly > > here, is the fact that ETK emulates GTK while EWL has a new > > implementation. I know this would be a lot of work. There's bound to > > be useless duplication, but at least it could be kept to a minimum, and > > there wouldn't be this huge fork in the road for new applications (and > > existing ones) to make a decision which E toolkit they're going to use. > > > > Are both sides willing to work together to provide a way out of this mess? > > > > If (and I suspect) the answer is no, then I vote for removing ETK and > > have it be an outside project. Not that a "vote" has been called... > > > > -Blake > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > > Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, > > and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, > and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
