On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:04:13 +0300 Eugen Minciu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:38:30 +0900 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I noticed that, and I've also noticed a couple of other things that may not > be so apparent to you guys. > > There's www.enlightenment.org and www.e-develop.org and www.get-e.org. This > really seems like a far stretch to me, imho there should be just one > www.enlightenment.org > > This CMS you guys are using is ... not so good (to put it lightly). > Generally, one probably doesn't need a CMS but you do need some sort of way > to edit content quickly. > > I have some experience with Ruby on Rails so I'm thinking I could create your > website and so on. If you want this done quickly, you'll probably have to go > for either XSM or another CMS. > > If not, I could write something that's tailored for your needs. > > I thought about this a little and this is how I think this site should be > layed out: > > about > - general > - e16 > - e17 > - efl > users > - news > - screenshots > - documentation > - download > - e16 > - e17 > - themes > - backgrounds > - etc... > developers > - news > - documentation > - core libraries > - widget sets > - programming guides/howtos > - api references > - todo items > - cvs > bugs > contact us > > Here's a little bit about these items > about: small introduction to e. Don't go into details, that's for the > documentation. > > news both in users and developers. Generally this news differs. You should > have two checkboxes for each news item, allowing you to post it either to > only one of the two, or to both. > > documentation in both places. user documentation is not developer > documentation so they should be separate. > > screenshots: a mini-gallery sort of thing. maybe with videos too > > download: both releases and daily (nightly) snapshots. > > api references: maybe they should be rebuilt automatically? (or maybe just > manualy, but we all know where that leads to :) ) > > todo items should be automatically extracted from the TODO files of each > application/library. > > cvs: maybe a web ui for cvs along with info on how to get it > > bugs: small 'contact us' sort of thingie. user is required to fill in what he > sees in an image (to prevent spam). Once he posts, this is automatically > routed to the devel list, or maybe some new ml created just for that (since > people will probably send lots of useless reports, report bugs that have been > fixed, complain about e not building because they don't have foo etc.). Let > them upload a core, etc. > > the other items should be fairly self explanatory. > > So here are a couple of sugestions about this stuff: > 1) Don't bother with a cute interface to edit content. Just use a markup > language. (like you edit a wiki) > 2) news can be posted, either from an application (with a web service) or > from an email (with some encryption). First would probably be easier. > 3) you can use a webservice to allow users to download and install themes > etc. directly from www.enlightenment.org > 4) api references should be automatically generated, speaking of automatic > here's another idea (or brainfart, depending on how you see it) > 5) have the server try to build the current version of e (or maybe a separate > build machine). Constantly show a status of what builds and doesnt build on > www.enlightenment.org (sorry if this is too SF, just a thoughe.t) > 6) todo items come from the TODO files. maybe use the same markup in the todo > files as well. you could do it both ways (add todo items in the files based > on bug reports) Oh todo items could also come from a web service. You could have a 'report a bug' application that send the bug report all the way into the TODO. > > Now ... I can't say all of this stuff is easy to build. But it can be built. > I think I could actually make a page like what I've just babbled about for > enlightenment. > > It would require quite a bit of time. But I need the RoR experience and any > way to help you guys out would make me feel warm and fuzzy inside :d > > If you want this to happen quick then just go for an existing CMS or wever, > if you think you this stuff is actually worthwhile (worth the wait) then let > me know, let's discuss what you guys need and I'll begin working on it ;) > > Cheers, > Eugen. > > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:48:51 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: > > > > > As many may have noticed, e's official website, enlightenmnet.org is > > > pretty painfully out of date. The screenshots on the front page are all > > > from e16, and there have been a total of 3 news items this year. > > > > yup. i have been mulling what to do about this for a while. > > > > FYI we are getting a new box - donated to us from coolcheeze (from the > > arcane > > linux project - he also does consulting and box building). a fairly beefy > > box. > > it will be on 100mbit at osuosl and has a fair bit of juice (dual opteron, > > 2gb > > ram, sata raid). i am thinking > > > > 1. anoncvs will move here. > > 2. move www for e.org here - now we have 100% control over what we can run > > and > > how it runs. we can trivially run scripts to auto-build daily tarballs (make > > dist ones) and more. i think this may make a good case for e.org re-vamps to > > accommodate such things - and maybe a complete re-design. our current layout > > has been with us for many years (the logic - not the imagery) and it might > > be > > time to trim it down and make it more accessible. > > > > i have been thinking we need simple links: > > > > ----------- > > about > > news > > screenshots > > download > > bugs > > contact > > ----------- > > documentation > > cvs > > debugging > > 0.16 > > 0.17 > > core libraries > > widget sets > > ... > > > > and that's about it. there is a little bit too much to wade through - also > > it's > > not named with common conventions (get enlightenment instead of download for > > example). > > > > we can put documentation and that stuff as maybe extra links below the main > > ones, but the main common ones in big bold and easy to find links (maybe the > > front page just becomes a quick header, 3 line blurb and big fat image > > links to > > the most common sections listed first above (6 of them). > > > > > I know Ben (the peudo-official web maintainer) has been super busy with > > > work and Opensolaris, and has a personal distaste for CMSs (such as the > > > one e.org currently uses, XSM). I believe the whole point of originally > > > moving to a CMS was to allow a much larger group of people to contribute > > > to the site's content, but that hasn't happened yet. > > > > indeed. i am wondering if it ever will. maybe the experiment failed? > > > > > So, I'd like to propose that we do a few things. > > > > > > First, restructure the front page to contain a brief description of what > > > the Enlightenment project is, followed by news items that get regularly > > > updated. Whenever an asparagus release is made, a note should be added. > > > Whenever new fun features are added, or obscure bugs finally squashed, a > > > note should be added. We needed at least two or three people who are > > > familiar enough with whats going on to take on these responsibilities. > > > > sure. we also need to make this easy to do - maybe even automated? > > > > > Next, I know there have been a few issues with XSM and > > > sf.net. When a change is made, the entire site is rebuilt and re-uploaded > > > to > > > sf.net. This can take a few minutes, and isn't always successful > > > (sometimes > > > resulting in a blank front page). Is there any chance we could move > > > e.org onto a non-sf server (one that we can have XSM running locally > > > on)? Would CaOS be willing to host the website also? (its static, so > > > shouldn't be much more load on top of cvs). > > > > see above. will be happening in the next 1-3 weeks. people will get > > accounts - > > appropriate people will get root access etc. etc. :) this can be the > > beginning > > of our online empire to rule the world... MUAHAHHAHAHAH. just kidding - but > > it > > will allow us to provide online services to E itself later - like online > > update > > to help/faq docs so users can find help on what they want more quickly > > without > > needing to launch web browsers etc. > > > > > Finally, I think we need some sort of intro doc on how to use XSM, and > > > a small guideline doc on what goes where on the website. > > > > sure - either that or not use xsm? xsm has been good - it has solved > > problems. > > it will run much better locally on the same box, but will it scale nicely to > > auto-listing generated tarball snapshots from a directory for us? we will > > need > > to pre-generate pages from templates in scripts, or do them dynamically > > with php > > etc. (much like enlightenment.freedesktop.org does - its very simple php to > > collate a set of generated tarballs) > > > > > I know there's a web list, but I first wanted to discuss this here, > > > since it involves possibly moving servers. > > > > > > Let me know what ya'll think. > > > > and finally i'm getting back to it... hooray! :) some of this will be solved > > soon - the question is how to move forward from there? how do we make it > > easier > > for people to provide news and articles? xsm has not proven effective so > > far in > > making that happen. what can we do? > > > > > -- > > > rephorm > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Take Surveys. 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