Andres wrote:

> I spent hundreds of hours learning and writing about the EFL and
> all this time will be wasted if the flagship product of the EFL,
> the dr17 window manager, is not released in a reasonable time frame.

        That's a great contribution and personal effort on your part,
but I'd have to disagree with your statement about it being 'wasted'
unless e17 is released sooner or later (or even if it were ever to be
'released' at all).
        Not everyone feels that e17 is more or less important than
the development libs or tools. Obviously raster, and many others,
feel the e17 desktop/gadget-shell is of great importance - personally
and otherwise.. but to feel that it's the only work that defines the
value of the E project is a very narrow viewpoint (and an unfortunate
consequence of the way the project has evolved over time).

        There are other excellent things written with the efl: eterm,
entrance, enna, canola, freevo's stuff, ... etc.
        If seeing MORE great apps written is what people here want,
interesting apps that are *easier* and *faster* to write (including
e17 and various possible modules), then furthering the state of the
development tools/libs is of primary importance.. e17 is just ONE app
written via these things and its development, as well as other apps',
can be done "in parallel" with that of the dev tools, each driving
and benefitting from the other.
        But people here have to learn to see and work that way, rather
than block things from evolving.

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