Michael Jennings ha scritto: > On Monday, 31 March 2008, at 20:50:20 (+0100), > The DarkMaster wrote: > > >> @Michael: I respect your point of view, but; >> @All: I am just saying that the big difference in all of this toolkits's >> customization possibilities is just a game stopper for the majority of >> people. Of course, the masses wish to have an ergonomic desktop, where >> everything looks well integrated and not chaotic (Say MacOSX for example). >> > > E was never intended to cater to the "masses." There are plenty of > other "lowest common denominator" options out there already. I've > used all of them, even MacOS X, and frankly I'm not even half as > productive with any of them. > > >> What I'm trying to explain is that there should be at least an easy >> way for the common user to set a certain theme for all of his E17 >> related apps. That's all. >> > > Assuming the theme is intended to be able to do that, that's fine. As > long as everyone realizes that not all theme authors will want to go > down that road. > > >> Also for coders/themers, this is just extra work. >> > > Maybe so, but it's up to the theme author if they want to create an > "E" theme or an "EWL" theme or both. > > If someone wanted to create a tool to speed/simplify converting one > theme to another, or to facilitate creating themes that work for > multiple apps/libs, more power to them! As long as the freedom still > exists to have separate and distinct themes, I don't think anyone > would be opposed to such a thing. > > >> For example, creating a little application able of helping a themer >> in producing E, EWL, ETK, whatever theme using the same basic pieces >> of arts for buttons, windows background and various widgets, would >> be a very nice thing. That's all. >> > > I agree. > > >> Also, for example, when I released OpenGEU Luna Nuova, all of >> the good review about my distro where saying: it is a very nice distro but I >> oticed that changing from the Sunshine theme to Moonlight, some parts of >> certain applications didn't change to dark colors and still looked Golden :) >> That was the greates draw-back in choosing and recommending the distro! Lol >> ;) >> That is, they where saying that the distro whas still a little bugged >> because of this :) >> > > Again, if you create a distro based on a certain set of assumptions, > you bear the responsibility that comes with it. :-) > > >> That's how people see the entire story, no matter how you put it, >> only few people understand that this is a pro. Now, I believe that >> we'd better help themers do their job better since having the >> freedom to create themes EASILY should be an important freedom too >> for anyone, right? I prefer ergonomics desktop, shouldn't I be free >> to easily and quickly encode one in E? >> > > This is the key difference: "facilitate" vs. "dictate" The former is > good; the latter is bad. > > My original point was that this simply isn't a big deal for the type > of user (like myself) that E was originally coded for. That said, > those who feel it is a significant issue should feel welcome to > develop the tools necessary to have it however they want it. In other > words, facilitate the choice, but don't dictate the policy. > > Make sense? :-) > > >> That's just how I see the entire fact and of course I am not crazy (why >> should I be crazy only because I like ergonomic desktops??) and of course >> I'm trying to push my distro that exact way :) >> > > Liking things a certain way doesn't make you crazy. Thinking > *everyone* should be *forced* to have them that way does. Hopefully > the distinction is clear now. :-) > > Michael > > I also agree on all the line now :) Dave
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