On 13/06/2010 11:25, Jochen Schröder wrote: > Well I'm just a mere user, but I've been using e for a number of years. > I've a couple of comments on your points from such a user perspective. > > On 06/13/2010 03:56 AM, Lachezar Petkov wrote: >> Hi crowd, >> >> 5) Dropshadow - move to Windows part of the panel. I think it makes much >> more sense, since its totally related only to windows, it doesnt put >> dropshadows under text or theme elements or anything like that. >> > I disagree, dropshadows change the look and feel (appearance), same goes > for compositing which is also in look. True, I was wrong. >> 6) Apps >> Problem with naming this Apps is that its not about applications >> themselves, but application launchers. On the other hand "app launcher" >> is long and probably no good for not tech-savvy users. >> I think only one dialog where people can create launchers and put them >> in place would be enough. Also simple checkboxes "launch on startup" and >> "launch on restart" would be more than enough, no need even for separate >> dialogs (that even sound confusing), I think. Also, if the user wants to >> start an app when E start, I think its obvious that he/she would want >> this app to restart when they restart E (or when E crashes). So that >> questions, the "restart applications" thing altogether. >> 7) Windows. I guarantee right now a typical user would just say "holy >> shit". I know i do :-) And I'm not even sure about most of the stuff >> here, but I'm sure we can merge some of these, rename some of them, add >> freaking tooltips, etc. >> > I agree on the tooltips, but those options should be there people > (including me) use them
Again - I'm not saying to remove those options, just categorize it better, so we don't end up with a million dialogs. >> 8) Menu settings -> Menu preferences? Also, this one seems kinda broken >> - Advanced shows exactly the same content, but in tabs.. >> > What's wrong with settings? Preferences is more personal, to make the menus behave according to user's own preferences... Just thought it fits better. I could be wrong. >> 9) Client List Menu - who's client? what menu? ;-) >> 10) Language -> Localization >> > Actually as a non-english speaker I find localization a lot less > intuitive than language settings, because really that's what > localization settings are "language settings" Okay, Language it is. >> 11) Input Method Settings - I really don't know what this thing does. >> 12) We can merge Mouse Settings and Bindigns into one dialog with tabs. >> Not sure about Interaction (not sure what it does) and Edge bindings. >> 13) Don't think we need Settings of the Settings. The user can make E >> remember the position of the windows in other ways and a checkbox "don't >> show this in the future" in the confirmation dialogs would be much better. >> > I disagree, a place where I can set these would be good. Maybe at some > later point you decide that you want to see the confirmation dialogs, > but you previously checked the "don't show this in the future" where > would you change that? Right. But still, I'm not sure if a separate dialog is needed specifically for this thing. >> 14) Profiles may go in Look& feel or Advanced. >> 15) The mixer doenst need a dialog on its own in the conf panel. > I disagree, I think it's a good thing that there is a central location > where all configuration goes. >> 16) Pager's setings can be accessed with right click on it, no need for >> conf panel dialog. >> > Same comment as above, I really dislike having to look for different > configuration items at different locations. Having a central location > for all configuration is "a good thing" >> 17) Gadgets is totally useless? To my understanding it adds a gadget to >> the desktop.. there are much clever ways to do this. >> > see above I don't see the point of being able to access settings of something from more than one place. RIght now I think you can access modules' settings from 3 places (i'm not using E right now to ckeck, but I will later). You wanna configure the module X which has some sort of GUI, like the mixer - you right click and configure it. And you do that once or twice just to make it according to your needs and thats it. >> 18) File Icons - this thing should be removed altogether. Its ugly, >> complicated and pretty useless. Just because when you click on a file, >> see it settings you can assign it a custom icon, there is just no need >> for this thing. Not to mention the huge, confusing list of mime types. >> >> --Menus--- >> 1) I dont think that Fav apps should be in the manin menu by default. >> Its more than easily accessible via right click. >> > Strongly disagree, the Fav apps is the most used item in my menu. I > never use right click. You're probably a minority. The main menu should be editable anyway. >> 2) Files - should be disabled if icons on the desktop are enabled. It >> takes space and doesn't do a better job compared to clicking on your >> home/root/whatever icon on the desk. >> > This should be a choice of the user, even if I have icons on the desk, I > might want to use the menu item, because I don't want to move my mouse > all the way to the location of the icon. The menu is a quick way of > accessing things, without having to move the mouse. You're probably right on this one. >> 3) "Run everything" just sounds confusing. As in "run everything you >> have at once" or something. Have to think about it more. >> 4) We have the Shelves conf dialog where the user can add and edit >> shelves, why is the Shelves submenu needed? >> > Again quick access. And how often do you reconfigure your shelves, add more, etc? It's not something you do every hour or every minute, its something you do rarely - some users just once, some users once a month or once a week. Quick access for such things is useless. >> 5) A simple gadged with an icon on the shelf would be better for >> "show/hide all windows". As an addition to this menu, not as a replacement. >> > Isn't there a module that does this? >> 7) Do we really need the configuration shortcuts? I think just one >> "Settings" entry would be enough, no submenus. A good example is the >> Shelves submenu - the user can access the Shelves settings by right >> clicking on any shelf AND thruough the config panel itself, I see no >> need for it in the main menu. Same for the rest of the things there, I think >> > Again quick access, the most often used configuration items are quickly > accessible with the menu, that's great. I find having to right click on > a shelf a lot more inconvenient, especially because what appears depends > on the contents of the shelf. Which is another separate issue with shelves. But again - how often do you change your wallpaper or theme so you need a shortcut to that? How often do you change Shelf preferences? I just doubt that its so often that you need shortcuts to this stuff. > My 2 cents >> Thanks, >> Mano >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate >> GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the >> lucky parental unit. 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