On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:38:18 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said:
> I'd agree with discomfitor about his points. There are many widgets that are > about different themes to the same concept and could be simplified (toggle, > check, ... Selection of items...) toggle and check are actually different. check has label_icon+ on/off state. toggle has 2 named states (a, b) with label+icon. check has no concept of named states at all. you could make a superset of it and roll it into check i guess... > As I said many times I'm against eina-object. Not able to explain it in > details from a phone, but I can try later if needed if no one else will > > Last but not least I want some helpers in ecore_evas to manage lifetime of > timer, idlers and so to an Evas_Object. Do it now or later? later, but that was the point of eina-object in the end. to tie together ALL these things. also provide a "indirect ptr" ref no longer direct reffing ptrs (index+table) and ability to have properties, methods and multiple inheritance. > On Thursday, October 20, 2011, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 04:04:38 -0400 Mike Blumenkrantz <m...@zentific.com> > said: > > > >> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:51:01 +0900 > >> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Hey guys. time to talk of our next release cycle. this meant 1.1 of > most efl > >> > libs (and 1.5 for eet). this means we have lots of bug fixes and new > >> > features here. i'm currently talking about: > >> > > >> > eina > >> > evas > >> > ecore > >> > embryo > >> > edje > >> > efreet > >> > e_dbus > >> > eeze > >> > > >> > now coming AFTER this we want elementary to go 1.0 - so this is the > last > >> > change we have to "break api's" in elementary. > >> > > >> > e17 itself is an app so api is "not relevant" here, but we also want to > work > >> > full steam ahead on e17 release too. > >> > > >> > what i am proposing is that everyone finish their "pending work" for > >> > everything above in the first list and get all pending changes to elm > >> > upstream asap as well. i want to call a "2 week merge window" for core > efl > >> > (above) and then 2 weeks of bug fixing, then release. merge window > starts > >> > next monday (24th of october). that means from the 7th to the 20th no > new > >> > features can be added to trunk, only bug fixes. > >> mmm this may be tough for eeze since supposedly users are having a lot of > >> trouble with eeze mounting in e17 and I can't reproduce their problems. > It > >> would be great if I had some edevs working with me to test this so I can > get > >> bugs out. > > > > i haven't spotted bugs of late... > > > >> > i am opening the floor to anyone who thinks other libraries in svn > should > >> > also get the 1.0 treatment too - ethumb? epdf? emotion? > >> I could prep esskyuehl for a release if people think it would be useful > to > >> have as a released library. I only have one or two trivial things to add, > and > >> it has been otherwise unchanged since May/June. > > > > no - leave that. it's still in proto and it actually isn't used by any of > > e/efl elements currently, so no rush there. > > > >> > > >> > some notes: eina will not have any eina-object model enabled for 1.1. > evas > >> > will have all the evas-gl stuff disabled in build and install for 1.1 > as its > >> > not stable yet. any more notes people have to throw in? > >> > > >> I think if we work on an elm release after 1.0 (which would be starting > in > >> December?) it will be a big mistake. Elm right now is a giant > clusterfuck, so > >> we should probably do the following instead of going straight for the big > 1.0: > >> * widget/feature freeze: NO MORE WIDGETS. PERIOD. there's too damn many > as it > >> is and QA on them is terrible. > > > > well this is all part of 1.0 path. we can just ignore going 1.0 forever if > u > > want and not do this... :) > > > >> * fix all existing widgets to work as intended: I say this in the > general > >> sense as there are tons of widget api functions which do nothing, have > >> unintended side effects, or break the universe altogether. > > > > list please. (of api's not working(right)). > > > >> * review all existing widgets and apis: we may decide that some widgets > suck > >> and should be removed. remember that anything we ship with 1.0 is a > widget > >> that we have to support FOREVER. so, for example, this means that > >> diskselector (a TERRIBLE widget imo) is something that will need to be > >> maintained for years to come. it also means that widget features must > be > >> maintained. if a widget has stupid features, they should be removed. > > > > list please. (widgets we shouldnt have). > > diskselector: actually api-wise its ok. it's IMPLEMENTATION is very much.. > to > > be desired. this means we can release with it and fix its internals at a > future > > point. > > > >> * finish all important TODO items for remaining widgets: there's tons of > >> these so I won't bother going into detail, but I think everyone can > think > >> of at least a few items which belong here. > > > > i need to finish up some performance issues in elm_factory. > > > >> * merge similar widgets: anchorblock and anchorview are two separate > widgets > >> which are essentially the same. why are they not one widget?? > > > > sure. they can be merged. or get rid of anchorview entirely. > > > >> * finish genlist/gengrid/factory merge: this has been talked about > forever, > >> but it needs to actually get done. afterwards, genlist and gengrid > >> apis/internals need to be updated so that they match. > > > > no way is this ever going to happen any time soon. not for years. i‘d say. > so > > its not worth getting worked up about. leave genlist/grid as is for now. > > > >> * rewrite MOST elm edc: if anyone has ever read through this, the > majority is > >> pretty awful. additionally, we have great edje features now like group > >> inheritance which could cut down the size of the default theme > >> considerably. > > > > this is really an optional thing. but i'd actually like to revamp all of > e17 > > +elm theme stuff anyway - but that'd push off being able to do releases by > many > > months. > > > >> Looking at the scope of these items, I'd say it's at least a couple > months' > >> work to get elm in the kind of shape necessary to consider even a basic > api > >> freeze, after which point it will require even more time to fix bugs > within > >> the freeze. > > > > reality is we need to freeze is much sooner than that. > > > > -- > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The demand for IT networking professionals continues to grow, and the > > demand for specialized networking skills is growing even more rapidly. > > Take a complimentary Learning@Ciosco Self-Assessment and learn > > about Cisco certifications, training, and career opportunities. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/cisco-dev2dev > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > -- > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > http://profusion.mobi embedded systems > -------------------------------------- > MSN: barbi...@gmail.com > Skype: gsbarbieri > Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The demand for IT networking professionals continues to grow, and the > demand for specialized networking skills is growing even more rapidly. > Take a complimentary Learning@Ciosco Self-Assessment and learn > about Cisco certifications, training, and career opportunities. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/cisco-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The demand for IT networking professionals continues to grow, and the demand for specialized networking skills is growing even more rapidly. 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