On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 22:26:04 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:04:55 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:58:10 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > > said: > > > > > On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:32:32 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:08:38 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The > > > > Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:56:48 +1000 David Seikel > > > > > <onef...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:41:11 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The > > > > > > Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:49:57 +1000 David Seikel > > > > > > > <onef...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:15:44 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The > > > > > > > > Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:13:18 +1000 David Seikel > > > > > > > > > <onef...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:55:24 +1000 David Seikel > > > > > > > > > > <onef...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:48:04 +1000 David Seikel > > > > > > > > > > > <onef...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:36:43 +0900 Carsten > > > > > > > > > > > > Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:00:24 +0100 Raoul Hecky > > > > > > > > > > > > > <raoul.he...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 04:33:10, Carsten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haitzler a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attached. this was a sample edc that would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be able to play audio, not just single > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > samples but whole sequences across > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > multiple tracks as well as control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific channels and tracks. it didn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specify looping params yet or other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such a huge thing just to play sound in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > edje... Is it really necessary to have all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this in edje or are you just nostalgic of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the good old days of trackers?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DAMNED STRAIGHT I AM! :) i just discovered > > > > > > > > > > > > > milkytracker! i'm enjoying myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > thoroughly! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously though... you CAN still just play > > > > > > > > > > > > > samples.. then play samples WITH volume > > > > > > > > > > > > > envelopes and looping (sounds as this glues > > > > > > > > > > > > > sample+envelopes) and then play entire > > > > > > > > > > > > > sequences (a series of samples played with > > > > > > > > > > > > > timing), which is the basics for most musical > > > > > > > > > > > > > scoring, then combine these into multiple > > > > > > > > > > > > > track patterns and put them together into > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole songs if u want. it drops down to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple and up to the whole "compose a whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > score" end of things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if all you ever choose to do is play samples - > > > > > > > > > > > > > then its largely irrelevant. reality is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you want to have complex sound effects you > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to start doing all of these little > > > > > > > > > > > > > bits. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me give an example. scrolling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you want to play some "wind blowing" when you > > > > > > > > > > > > > first start to drag > > > > > > > > > > > > > - this may consist of 2 or 3 channels of sound > > > > > > > > > > > > > with various wind samples overlayed at > > > > > > > > > > > > > staggered intervals to give the impression of > > > > > > > > > > > > > something that isn't always looping and > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeating (it's a neat trick you also can do > > > > > > > > > > > > > with overlayed images). you want this "song" > > > > > > > > > > > > > to fade in then keep looping a few patterns > > > > > > > > > > > > > where you really are using 5 or so 5 second > > > > > > > > > > > > > samples to create several minutes of wind > > > > > > > > > > > > > sound. now when you actually MOVE your mouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > (or finger) you year some "tinkling" sounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > that sound like the small glass bells being > > > > > > > > > > > > > shaken. these play and fade out becoming > > > > > > > > > > > > > quieter the slower your drag and varying > > > > > > > > > > > > > pitch depending on how high or low your > > > > > > > > > > > > > position is on the scroll range. you would > > > > > > > > > > > > > implement these with another few tacks like > > > > > > > > > > > > > the wind, applying modifiers for pitch and > > > > > > > > > > > > > volume of the play instructions. the bell > > > > > > > > > > > > > sample can be 2 or 3 samples like the wind to > > > > > > > > > > > > > give the impression of many distinct bells, > > > > > > > > > > > > > just played at differing speeds for pitches > > > > > > > > > > > > > (you can normally go up 1 octave before it > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds just odd and want to get a new > > > > > > > > > > > > > sampling). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm excited by that. B-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, with multisense turned on (Ubuntu > > > > > > > > > > > > 10.04, sndfile 1.0.21), when it gets to > > > > > > > > > > > > compiling elementary's edje files I get - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /opt/e17/bin/edje_cc -id ../../data/themes > > > > > > > > > > > > -fd ../../data/themes \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/themes/default.edc \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/themes/default.edj > > > > > > > > > > > > /opt/e17/bin/edje_cc > > > > > > > > > > > > -id ../../data/themes -fd ../../data/themes \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/themes/default-desktop.edc \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/themes/default-desktop.edj > > > > > > > > > > > > ALSA player_plugin init fail Couldn't open any > > > > > > > > > > > > output device. ALSA player_plugin init fail > > > > > > > > > > > > Couldn't open any output device. > > > > > > > > > > > > make[3]: Leaving directory > > > > > > > > > > > > `/home/dvs1/e17_svn/SVN/trunk/elementary/data/themes' > > > > > > > > > > > > Making all in images make[3]: Entering directory > > > > > > > > > > > > `/home/dvs1/e17_svn/SVN/trunk/elementary/data/images' > > > > > > > > > > > > make[3]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[3]: > > > > > > > > > > > > Leaving directory > > > > > > > > > > > > `/home/dvs1/e17_svn/SVN/trunk/elementary/data/images' > > > > > > > > > > > > Making all in objects make[3]: Entering > > > > > > > > > > > > directory > > > > > > > > > > > > `/home/dvs1/e17_svn/SVN/trunk/elementary/data/objects' > > > > > > > > > > > > /opt/e17/bin/edje_cc > > > > > > > > > > > > -id ../../data/objects -fd ../../data/objects \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/objects/test.edc \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/objects/test.edj /opt/e17/bin/edje_cc > > > > > > > > > > > > -id ../../data/objects -fd ../../data/objects \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/objects/multip.edc \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/objects/multip.edj > > > > > > > > > > > > /opt/e17/bin/edje_cc > > > > > > > > > > > > -id ../../data/objects -fd ../../data/objects \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/objects/colorpreview.edc \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/objects/colorpreview.edj > > > > > > > > > > > > /opt/e17/bin/edje_cc > > > > > > > > > > > > -id ../../data/objects -fd ../../data/objects \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/objects/cursors.edc \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/objects/cursors.edj > > > > > > > > > > > > /opt/e17/bin/edje_cc > > > > > > > > > > > > -id ../../data/objects -fd ../../data/objects \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/objects/font_preview.edc \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/objects/font_preview.edj > > > > > > > > > > > > ALSA player_plugin init fail Couldn't open any > > > > > > > > > > > > output device. /opt/e17/bin/edje_cc > > > > > > > > > > > > -id ../../data/objects -fd ../../data/objects \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/objects/postit_ent.edc \ > > > > > > > > > > > > <------>../../data/objects/postit_ent.edj ALSA > > > > > > > > > > > > player_plugin init fail Couldn't open any > > > > > > > > > > > > output device. ALSA player_plugin init fail > > > > > > > > > > > > Couldn't open any output device. ALSA > > > > > > > > > > > > player_plugin init fail Couldn't open any > > > > > > > > > > > > output device. make[3]: *** [postit_ent.edj] > > > > > > > > > > > > Segmentation fault make[3]: *** Deleting file > > > > > > > > > > > > `postit_ent.edj' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oops. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Make -j is jumbling that up a bit. Still trying > > > > > > > > > > > > it out on other things in SVN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And a similar segfault in editje - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make[3]: Entering directory > > > > > > > > > > > `/home/dvs1/e17_svn/SVN/trunk/editje/data/templates/default' > > > > > > > > > > > /opt/e17/bin/edje_cc > > > > > > > > > > > \ ../../../data/templates/default/default.edc \ > > > > > > > > > > > ../../../data/templates/default/default.edj > > > > > > > > > > > make[3]: *** [default.edj] Segmentation fault > > > > > > > > > > > make[3]: *** Deleting file `default.edj' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, second time through, elementary built fine. > > > > > > > > > > Might not be edje_cc doing the segfaulting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually... where do u have remix installed vs edje? i > > > > > > > > > think edje may be installing the remix plugins in the > > > > > > > > > wrong spot for remix. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remix is installing in it's default of /usr/local, all > > > > > > > > of EFL and friends is installed in /opt/e17. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! thats why! yes - its a problem in > > > > > > > the configure.ac where it installs the remix plugins in > > > > > > > edj's prefix, not in remix's prefix. > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, just got that segfault in the same place in elementary > > > > > > building as mentioned above. In total I've had it five > > > > > > times while compiling most of SVN many times, this is the > > > > > > first time it has shown up in the same place as before. In > > > > > > all cases there's no segfault if I just compile it all over > > > > > > again. Memory problem in edje_cc perhaps? > > > > > > > > > > valgrind... gdb.. you now the routine. "works for me" so need > > > > > you to come up with info. :) > > > > > > > > Yep, after dinner I was gonna. > > > > > > Preliminary results after a quick test, which might help while I > > > go do something else. Valgrind showed nothing, it would not > > > segfault there. Segfaulted under gdb, results attached. > > > > > > /me compiles things with symbols and tries again later. > > > > aaaaaaaaaaah crap. it's the non-threadafe libdl! > > Just in case it helps, here's the bt with symbols. > Even more curious. I can only get it to seggie when compiling those few specific edje files. No amount of compiling other edc files seems to trigger it, including the example multisense.edc file (with changes to reference .wav files I actually have). Running stuff, either elementary apps with edje stuff, or running edj's with edje_player, also seem to not trigger the seggie. Have not seen any E17 seggies either. Or maybe I'm just un/lucky? -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.
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