On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:06 PM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:29:57 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:47:40 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> >> said: >> >> > > > It's the "when you bring it up" part that's the problem. Tabs >> > > > don't need to be "brought up" to show you the info they >> > > > display. You don't have to do anything to keep an eye on >> > > > programs that change the tab text to show you progress or >> > > > something important other than look up (on the tabs that's not >> > > > the one you are using right now). You don't have to do anything >> > > > to see which tab is which when you carefully name them. This >> > > > is not better for those uses of tabs. It hides the info you >> > > > want to see at a glance and makes it a separate step to get to >> > > > that info. >> > > > >> > > > Most of my terminal tabs are running MC, some on the same >> > > > directories, they will look identical or almost identical in a >> > > > thumbnail that's small enough to show them all. That's not >> > > > gonna help me at all. >> > > > >> > > > Doing something different is good, it's just not "better" if it >> > > > removes useful functionality. Your idea is good, it just >> > > > removes useful functionality that is provided with tabs. It's >> > > > no substitute for tabs, it's something completely different. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > The tabs themselves aren't very useful either. All they do is >> > > show the terminal title, which is useless most of the time, so >> > > you wont be able to differentiate between them if you just sat >> > > down in front of that terminal for the first time. At the end of >> > > the day, most of us probably use hotkeys to jump between tabs, >> > > and that will work just as well in a wp2 context. >> > >> > You don't quite understand what I'm saying. Those terminal titles >> > in the tabs is EXACTLY the functionality that would be missed. They >> > contain information that is useful some times to some people. That >> >> you made my point for me.. SOME of the time SOME people want just a >> title. SOME. ... MOST don't go run the exact same identical thing so >> its unrecognisable in N tabs. optimize for the common case first. > > You where not talking about optimising a common case, you where talking > about throwing out the antiquated idea of tabs coz you thought you > could do it better. I'm pointing out that "better" does not mean > throwing away perfectly good functionality. > > Sooo, programs want to display their little bit of text on the term > title / tab for whatever reason. Where does this little bit of text > go? A tab is the perfect spot for it. You still have not answered the > basic fundamental problem, how are you replacing this functionality > with your "better" idea? > > You are only implementing half the functionality, and trying to brush > off the other half coz it does not fit into your idea of what a flash > program should look like. Most people are not expecting flash from a > terminal program. > > You can make it flash all you want, but if it's only doing half the > job, you can't call it "better". > > Most people don't want to show a video as the background for their > terminal. Can't say you are optimising for any common case there. lol > > It's not like tabs is harder than what you want to do. You just think > it's too old fashioned to WANT to do it.
Exactly and these are the points I'm arguing with him... but he won't listen, it's his thing and it must be good for him and that's it. So far I gave up on this, let's just make it a lib and we can have a "old fashioned" term for those who want them. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -------------------------------------- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
