I think this is just a case of a project's author disagreeing with community feedback. The question that comes to mind is "Does a developer of an open source project have to implement features that other people want if he does not want to?" Or, even without the element of the author doing the work, does the initial/primary author retain control over a project to the degree that he still gets to determine which features go into a project?
I'm inclined to say that if a project starts out as a community effort, it should remain one -- popular/requested features should be added. This project, however, did not start as a community effort. One person wrote (and continues to write) the majority of the code, and then he committed it so other people could play with it. On this level, I consider it disrespectful to "demand" that features get added against the primary author's desires, regardless of whether this person will actually be doing the work. The unfortunate part here is that this is the new "EFL community terminal"; we want to be able to tinker with it and add features and stuff as we want, but we still must accede to one person's wishes. It's difficult to accept being told "no" when you're hacking on something non-commercial in your free time; there's certainly no fun in it. There seem to be two solutions in this situation: 1) Agree with everything the author says, and don't add features that he doesn't want 2) Spend some time discussing (not on the mailing list, I have enough shit to read without more flame wars; thanks for your consideration) the issue. I would hope that reasonable features would not be blocked for unreasonable reasons (imo "I might have a better idea for doing this in the future so you can't do anything related to it now" is pretty unreasonable). Regardless of the outcome, I'd really appreciate it if there could be a more civil attitude taken throughout these discussions in general. There's no need for throwing tantrums, name calling, and drama-laden exits when things don't go your way. We're all adults here, let's act like it. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com>wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:13:06 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said: > > > Exactly and these are the points I'm arguing with him... but he won't > > listen, it's his thing and it must be good for him and that's it. So > > far I gave up on this, let's just make it a lib and we can have a "old > > fashioned" term for those who want them. > > why are you even here? you should make e a lib and just make your own wm. > :) > seriously. the terminal is just over 3 weeks old and you're bitching about > me > not wanting to implement a feature the way YOU want it implemented, or me > saying "no - don't do it that way because i've got a better way" even > though i > have given this more thought than you have by a long margin - i was > thinking > this over weeks ago before i started on terminology, and have thought it > through a lot. i have a better idea - or what i believe is one. i want to > do > it. i don't want to have to tear out some tab implementation or heavily > re-work > it. if i dodn't have any idea what to do i might just be as uninspired and > just put tabs in like everyone else. > > it is people like you that said that enlightenment was a waste of time. no > one > wants pixmaps in their window borders, or wants shaped windows. how > truecolor > wallpapers are such a waste and distracting and no one wants more than > textured > simple bitmaps tiled. bevelled grey buttons is all they need and maybe the > ability to select font and color. i have been down this road of people who > are > stuck in their box and want to try and force me to stay in their box too. > if > didn't care i'd be happy in the same box. if i hadn't tried to imagine > something different or better, i'd stay in the box. the fact was that i > hit on > a nerve - people WANTED something better. they were itching for change. for > improvement. for someone to break out of the tried and tested box. it > worked. i > want to try something here. i've talked the idea over with several people > (face > to face) and gotten ideas back and feedback. i want to see it happen. > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. 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