On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:32:31 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> said:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 22:52:56 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 21:29:35 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:29:37 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > > > said: > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:43:44 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The > > > > Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:51:16 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > > > > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said: > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Carsten Haitzler > > > > > > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:50:08 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > > > > > > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Wednesday, January 16, 2013, David Seikel wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:48:14 -0800 "Enlightenment SVN" > > > > > > >> > <no-re...@enlightenment.org <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Log: > > > > > > >> > > add missing licenses references, fix copyright, add > > > > > > >> > > link result notice. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Author: barbieri > > > > > > >> > > Date: 2013-01-16 13:48:14 -0800 (Wed, 16 Jan > > > > > > >> > > 2013) New Revision: 82911 > > > > > > >> > > Trac: > > > > > > >> > > http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/82911 > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Modified: > > > > > > >> > > trunk/efl/COPYING trunk/efl/licenses/COPYING.BSD > > > > > > >> > > trunk/efl/licenses/COPYING.LGPL > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Modified: trunk/efl/COPYING > > > > > > >> > > =================================================================== > > > > > > >> > > --- trunk/efl/COPYING 2013-01-16 21:47:37 UTC (rev > > > > > > >> > > 82910) +++ trunk/efl/COPYING 2013-01-16 21:48:14 UTC > > > > > > >> > > (rev 82911) @@ -1,11 +1,23 @@ > > > > > > >> > > -EFL comes with several licences. Listed are the > > > > > > >> > > library/probject +EFL comes with several licences. > > > > > > >> > > Listed are the library/project name and the license > > > > > > >> > > file covering it. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > evil: licenses/COPYING.BSD > > > > > > >> > > -escape: licenses/COPYING.GPL > > > > > > >> > > +escape: licenses/COPYING.GPL (used in > > > > > > >> > > PlayStation native) +eina: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.LGPL eet: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.BSD -eina: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.LGPL eo: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.BSD evas: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.BSD +embryo: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.SMALL ecore: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.BSD -embryo: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.SMALL +eio: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.LGPL +edbus: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.LGPL +efreet: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.BSD +eeze: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.BSD +ephysics: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.BSD +edje: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.BSD +edje/epp: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.GPL (separate binary/executable) > > > > > > >> > > +emotion: licenses/COPYING.BSD +ethumb: > > > > > > >> > > licenses/COPYING.LGPL + > > > > > > >> > > +NOTE: If linked together, the result will be LGPL (or > > > > > > >> > > GPL is Escape is +used) due that license > > > > > > >> > > characteristics. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Hmmm, guess that means the BSD licences are useless, > > > > > > >> > since it's all gonna be linked together anyway, and thus > > > > > > >> > GPL contaminated. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> That is right. For all purposes consider EFL = LGPL. We > > > > > > >> just didn't change the license as it would require > > > > > > >> approvals. But effectively it's all LGPL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect. only if we make a single libefl.so is this the > > > > > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > The on-disk .so files are not, but as soon as they are > > > > > > dynamically linked in the application they do that. > > > > > > Unfortunately I had to learn that with some lawyers :-P > > > > > > > > > > they don't make your application lgpl. that dont make it gpl. > > > > > they dont make it bsd. they dont affect your application at > > > > > all... unless you STATICALLY link... lgpl is very explicit > > > > > about its boundaries. GPL - yes. LGPL - no. > > > > > > > > No, I'm not spreading FUD. I commented if the LGPL had spread to > > > > cover the BSD licensed parts. Gustavo agreed it did, then said > > > > later that a > > > > > > it has not. that is utterly false saying it does. > > > > Take that one up with Gustavo, he's the one that made the comment in > > his commit, and the one saying a lawyer taught him these things. > > And in case you have not fully realised what this thread is about, have > a look at the commit that started it all. The file trunk/efl/COPYING > now includes this - > > "NOTE: If linked together, the result will be LGPL (or GPL is Escape is > +used) due that license characteristics." > > Sure, it's not actually using the word "virus", but that's what it is > saying, what every one else refers to as the GPL "virus" nature. > Gustavo said it's the "characteristics" of the LGPL (and GPL) that made > all the rest LGPL (or GPL). The "if linked together" bit is not much > use, their are too many interwoven dependencies to be able to use much > of it without the rest. The "characteristics" is a polite term for > what most people mean when they use the word "virus". That's the way > the world calls it, that's the way Gustavo says it works. if STATICALLY linked together into a binary - correct. if linked together as a single .so - correct. as such as tit stands with N .so's it is not the case. > Gustavo calling me out for using the word "virus" claiming it is FUD is > a bit silly, he described the viral nature himself, and agreed to it > when I pointed it out. He just did not like it being called "virus". > Tough, every one calls it that when it comes to the GPL and variants. > > As for whether or not LGPL actually has overridden the various BSD bits > in the way Gustavo changed our documentation to say, like I said, > that's up to lawyers to figure out. Note that they usually go with the > intentions of the authors. Look what our intentions say right now, in > the official COPYING document. Or rather, Gustavo's intentions, I > certainly never intended such a thing. :-P > > -- > A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants > coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Master HTML5, CSS3, ASP.NET, MVC, AJAX, Knockout.js, Web API and much more. Get web development skills now with LearnDevNow - 350+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122812 _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
