On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Bluezery <ohpo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2013/4/16 Daniel Juyung Seo <seojuyu...@gmail.com>
>
> > Hello, I don't want to export the internal object any more.
> >
>
> That depends on point of views.
> Think about 3 mans
> Designer / Frame developer / Application Developer
>
> Edje is designed for designer. Designer makes edje. It can be compiled and
> distributed itself.
> Frame developer makes elementary widget. It can be also distributed itself.
> Application developer uses elementary and edje.
>
>                     Designer
>                       /       \
> Frame Developer -  Application Developer
>
> They depends on each others like above.
>

True.


> If application cannot access the edje. Above can be changed like below.
>

Well you are talking about general edje object. THE EDJE OBJECT we were
talking about was an edje object which was created inside the widget.
Exposing this internal object is same as exposing class' private members to
public.

If you create your own edje object and you handle it, I don't care.


>
> Framework Designer (widget theme) <-> Frame Developer <-> Application
> Developer <-> Applicaiton Designer
>
> So the problem is that edje is designed from Framework Designer can not be
> reused for application developer.
> Application designer overwrites (cannot override) it.
>

Are you talking about theme by "edje is designed from Framework Designer"?
Of course you can use it by elm_layout_theme_set. There is no limitation
for reusing the any styles in theme.
You are just not allowed to hook the other's edje object which is
instanciated version of styles/themes whatsoever.

It looks like this discussion is headed to the wrong direction :(

Thanks.

Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)


>
>
>
> > Anyway there is room to discuss as always.
> >
> > Well.. history repeats itself.
> > This was already discussed before. Please refer the following thread.
> >
> >
> http://www.mail-archive.com/enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg48240.html
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:29 PM, ChunEon Park <her...@naver.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Does somebody agree on it?
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > > -Regards, Hermet-
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "Bluezery"<ohpo...@gmail.com>
> > > To: "Enlightenment developer list"<
> > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>;
> > > Cc:
> > > Sent: 2013-04-12 (금) 20:16:20
> > > Subject: Re: [E-devel] [Question] About depcreated
> > > elm_object_item_object_get API
> > >
> > > Yes, theme dependency can be the problem.
> > > But there eixst pros and cons.
> > >
> >
> > Yes there exists pros and cons.
> > But *MY* policy is not to export the internal objects as much as
> possible.
> > Managing one objects in the two different places deosn't look good.
> > Once we export the internal objects, people will abuse it with the very
> > high possibility.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > If application make customized winset theme, application can add
> programs
> > > or parts or something for their own purpose and do more things on theme
> > and
> > > do not need to make their own customized winset. In this situation,
> there
> > > is no need to change the elementary and default theme.  Application
> > install
> > > their app just with their extension theme.
> > >
> > > In this case, application should know the edje/evas APIs (or elementary
> > > should wrap it but this is almost impossible, I think). But I think
> that
> > > application should know those and use those for making perferctly there
> > own
> > > purpose.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, application should make their own edje and add code for
> > > manupulate it (make own winset).  In this case, application also know
> > > edje/evas APIs.
> > >
> >
> > Yes this is what I recommend as of now.
> > If you want to handle/manage something, you create it. Do not take
> other's
> > possessions. There must be a conflict.
> > Genlist supports "full" item style for this kind of use cases.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Theme is already exported for applications. So application can make
> their
> > > own theme.
> > > And I requested to export theme (edje), currently it is hidden.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/4/4 ChunEon Park <hermet>@naver.com>
> > >
> > > > Maybe it can be... but i don't like those kinds of apis since it will
> > > > result in the increase of the theme compatibility break.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> >
> > > > For your information,
> > > > Users even can't decide the ctxpopup size.
> > > > Conceptually, the ctxpopup itself decides the size and position by
> > > itself.
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > -Regards, Hermet-
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: "Bluezery"<ohpowel>@gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Enlightenment developer list"<
> > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>;
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Sent: 2013-04-04 (목) 16:31:02
> > > > Subject: [E-devel] [Question] About depcreated
> > elm_object_item_object_get
> > > > API
> > > >
> > > > Dear EFL developers,
> > > >
> > > > I have question about getting geometry of edje part on elemenatry
> > object
> > > or
> > > > elm object item.
> > > > If ctx popup or date time widget want to be placed on the text part,
> I
> > > > cannot find the way.
> > > >
> > > > Actually application should depend on edje theme part on some cases.
> > > > Applications should know the name of the swallowed part on the edje
> > > theme.
> > > >
> > > > So, How about elm_object_item_part_geomtry_get API? Or I think that
> > >
> >
> > NO!!!!!! We don't wrap all the evas/edje apis from elm side.
> >
> >
> > > > elm_object_item_object_get or elm_object_object_get seems to be
> needed.
> > > > If applications can get the edje object from elementary widget or
> > > > elementary object item,  they can use edje APIs directly.
> > > > But elm_object_item_object_get API was depecated and removed. The
> > reason
> > > to
> > > > remove this API seems to prevent abuse of application developers.
> > > > But, for the flexibility, this API can be needed.
> > > > Previously, this API returns Evas_Object *.How about retunring
> > > > *const*Evas_Object *. ?
> > > > I can prevent chaning Object property.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BRs,
> > > > Kim.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > BRs,
> > > > Kim.
> > >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
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