2013/4/16 Daniel Juyung Seo <seojuyu...@gmail.com> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Bluezery <ohpo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2013/4/16 Daniel Juyung Seo <seojuyu...@gmail.com> > > > > > Hello, I don't want to export the internal object any more. > > > > > > > That depends on point of views. > > Think about 3 mans > > Designer / Frame developer / Application Developer > > > > Edje is designed for designer. Designer makes edje. It can be compiled > and > > distributed itself. > > Frame developer makes elementary widget. It can be also distributed > itself. > > Application developer uses elementary and edje. > > > > Designer > > / \ > > Frame Developer - Application Developer > > > > They depends on each others like above. > > > > True. > > > > If application cannot access the edje. Above can be changed like below. > > > > Well you are talking about general edje object. THE EDJE OBJECT we were > talking about was an edje object which was created inside the widget. > Exposing this internal object is same as exposing class' private members to > public. >
edje object is created on widget side initilally. But elm_object_style_set or elm_theme_extension_add can load edje fo application. > If you create your own edje object and you handle it, I don't care. > > > > > > Framework Designer (widget theme) <-> Frame Developer <-> Application > > Developer <-> Applicaiton Designer > > > > So the problem is that edje is designed from Framework Designer can not > be > > reused for application developer. > > Application designer overwrites (cannot override) it. > > > > Are you talking about theme by "edje is designed from Framework Designer"? > Of course you can use it by elm_layout_theme_set. There is no limitation > for reusing the any styles in theme. > You are just not allowed to hook the other's edje object which is > instanciated version of styles/themes whatsoever. > Yes. But this edje cannot interact with frameworks. So framework functionality cannot be reused. I don't know the policy of the elementary widget. But I want to find better way. :) > > It looks like this discussion is headed to the wrong direction :( > > Thanks. > > Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ) > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway there is room to discuss as always. > > > > > > Well.. history repeats itself. > > > This was already discussed before. Please refer the following thread. > > > > > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg48240.html > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:29 PM, ChunEon Park <her...@naver.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Does somebody agree on it? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > -Regards, Hermet- > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: "Bluezery"<ohpo...@gmail.com> > > > > To: "Enlightenment developer list"< > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>; > > > > Cc: > > > > Sent: 2013-04-12 (금) 20:16:20 > > > > Subject: Re: [E-devel] [Question] About depcreated > > > > elm_object_item_object_get API > > > > > > > > Yes, theme dependency can be the problem. > > > > But there eixst pros and cons. > > > > > > > > > > Yes there exists pros and cons. > > > But *MY* policy is not to export the internal objects as much as > > possible. > > > Managing one objects in the two different places deosn't look good. > > > Once we export the internal objects, people will abuse it with the very > > > high possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If application make customized winset theme, application can add > > programs > > > > or parts or something for their own purpose and do more things on > theme > > > and > > > > do not need to make their own customized winset. In this situation, > > there > > > > is no need to change the elementary and default theme. Application > > > install > > > > their app just with their extension theme. > > > > > > > > In this case, application should know the edje/evas APIs (or > elementary > > > > should wrap it but this is almost impossible, I think). But I think > > that > > > > application should know those and use those for making perferctly > there > > > own > > > > purpose. > > > > > > > > Otherwise, application should make their own edje and add code for > > > > manupulate it (make own winset). In this case, application also know > > > > edje/evas APIs. > > > > > > > > > > Yes this is what I recommend as of now. > > > If you want to handle/manage something, you create it. Do not take > > other's > > > possessions. There must be a conflict. > > > Genlist supports "full" item style for this kind of use cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Theme is already exported for applications. So application can make > > their > > > > own theme. > > > > And I requested to export theme (edje), currently it is hidden. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/4/4 ChunEon Park <hermet>@naver.com> > > > > > > > > > Maybe it can be... but i don't like those kinds of apis since it > will > > > > > result in the increase of the theme compatibility break. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > For your information, > > > > > Users even can't decide the ctxpopup size. > > > > > Conceptually, the ctxpopup itself decides the size and position by > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > -Regards, Hermet- > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: "Bluezery"<ohpowel>@gmail.com> > > > > > To: "Enlightenment developer list"< > > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>; > > > > > Cc: > > > > > Sent: 2013-04-04 (목) 16:31:02 > > > > > Subject: [E-devel] [Question] About depcreated > > > elm_object_item_object_get > > > > > API > > > > > > > > > > Dear EFL developers, > > > > > > > > > > I have question about getting geometry of edje part on elemenatry > > > object > > > > or > > > > > elm object item. > > > > > If ctx popup or date time widget want to be placed on the text > part, > > I > > > > > cannot find the way. > > > > > > > > > > Actually application should depend on edje theme part on some > cases. > > > > > Applications should know the name of the swallowed part on the edje > > > > theme. > > > > > > > > > > So, How about elm_object_item_part_geomtry_get API? Or I think that > > > > > > > > > > NO!!!!!! We don't wrap all the evas/edje apis from elm side. > > > > > > > > > > > elm_object_item_object_get or elm_object_object_get seems to be > > needed. > > > > > If applications can get the edje object from elementary widget or > > > > > elementary object item, they can use edje APIs directly. > > > > > But elm_object_item_object_get API was depecated and removed. The > > > reason > > > > to > > > > > remove this API seems to prevent abuse of application developers. > > > > > But, for the flexibility, this API can be needed. > > > > > Previously, this API returns Evas_Object *.How about retunring > > > > > *const*Evas_Object *. ? > > > > > I can prevent chaning Object property. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BRs, > > > > > Kim. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > BRs, > > > > > Kim. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Minimize network downtime and maximize team effectiveness. > > > > > Reduce network management and security costs.Learn how to hire > > > > > the most talented Cisco Certified professionals. 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