On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 20:47:04 +0000 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me> said:
> Yeah I got no connection from ssh to the main node that smells like a very different problem... because e5 has always been up and working UNLESS someone is rebooting it at the time and e5 has been up for 3 days now straight... this probably need to be looked into at exactly the time when the issue happens to compare notes. > On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 at 12:32 Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 10:10:32 +0000 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me> > > said: > > > > > No, connection refused on any attempt to any vm on ssh or http(s)... > > > > you tried e5 itself? this is the host ... no vm there. > > > > > On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 at 10:41, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 08:49:27 +0000 Andrew Williams < > > a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > said: > > > > > > > > > Maybe there is a routing issue in there too then, as I was > > struggling to > > > > > get any connection at all for an hour or three? > > > > > > > > could you get to e5? > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 at 00:47, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 15:25:14 +0000 Andrew Williams < > > > > a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > > > said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to be back now without a kick... Is there stuff going > > on at > > > > the > > > > > > > moment? > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know. when i saw your mail i checked. all was up... i moved > > > > on. i > > > > > > have > > > > > > disabled the logrotate daily crons in e5v1 and www/git ... because > > > > because > > > > > > the > > > > > > going down suspiciously coincided with these. i've disabled > > auditing in > > > > > > libvirt > > > > > > too... i just want to get things working and then figure out which > > > > level i > > > > > > pulled did it. maybe one of the levers i pulled di it? e5v1, www, > > have > > > > > > been up > > > > > > over 1 whole day so not one rebooted them. 35 has now been up 2 > > days > > > > (last > > > > > > time > > > > > > there was an issue i restarted libvirt and its guests only and > > things > > > > > > worked > > > > > > again). > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 at 15:30 Andrew Williams < > > a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today it died between 1 and 2pm UTC... > > > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 at 16:26, Carsten Haitzler < > > > > ras...@rasterman.com> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:20:48 +0000 Andrew Williams < > > > > > > a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > > > > >> said: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Thanks to whoever kicked the server just now :) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> me :) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Are we any closer to what might be triggering this as soon > > as > > > > the > > > > > > > >> weekend > > > > > > > >> > starts? ;) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> no. i've experimented with disabling cron.daily things on > > e5... it > > > > > > does > > > > > > > >> seem > > > > > > > >> that now shutting down vm's and bringing them back up works > > now > > > > kvm > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > >> module... ? hmmm. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Andy > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 at 18:47 Andrew Williams < > > > > a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > It looks like the new key did work after all - but in the > > > > > > confiscation > > > > > > > >> > > about ensuring no proxies were set up I accidentally > > deleted > > > > the > > > > > > line > > > > > > > >> of > > > > > > > >> > > config that sets the username. > > > > > > > >> > > Either way I can now long in, thanks. > > > > > > > >> > > Now at least I can kick the server if/when it's not > > accessible > > > > > > this > > > > > > > >> > > weekend. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Andy > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 at 17:14 Andrew Williams < > > > > > > a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> I have upgrade my key to a 4096 and using this new one I > > can > > > > use > > > > > > git > > > > > > > >> over > > > > > > > >> > >> ssh but cannot access e5 through ssh - same as with my > > old > > > > key. > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> Andy > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 at 13:39 Andrew Williams < > > > > > > a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > > > > >> > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >>> It's E5 that won't let me in (no proxy of course) > > > > > > > >> > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 at 10:48, Carsten Haitzler < > > > > > > > >> ras...@rasterman.com> > > > > > > > >> > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:03:04 +0000 Andrew Williams < > > > > > > > >> > >>>> a...@andywilliams.me> said: > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > As of Monday morning git was working well again (both > > > > https > > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> > >>>> git+ssh > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > working fine). > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > I still do not have ssh access back - one machine > > noted > > > > the > > > > > > > >> following: > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! > > > > @ > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > If I accept the new identity I get "Permission denied > > > > > > > >> (publickey)." > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > Same key as I've been using for a year or 3 (2048 > > bits) > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> mine's 4096 bits... and it works. i believe simotek > > moved > > > > to > > > > > > 4096 > > > > > > > >> too > > > > > > > >> > >>>> and then > > > > > > > >> > >>>> it worked. what machine is that? > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > Thanks, > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > Andy > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 at 08:30 Carsten Haitzler < > > > > > > > >> ras...@rasterman.com> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:16:30 +0000 Andrew Williams > > < > > > > > > > >> > >>>> a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > said: > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > These reports were related to the weekend when > > > > access was > > > > > > > >> very > > > > > > > >> > >>>> difficult > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > indeed. Whilst I'm thrilled that everything is up > > > > now I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > >> > >>>> think that > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > should invalidate the fact we had a lot of > > issues on > > > > > > > >> Saturday and > > > > > > > >> > >>>> Sunday. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > ssh/git never stopped working for me... so i don't > > > > have any > > > > > > > >> idea > > > > > > > >> > >>>> why. is it > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > working for you now? > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > Andy > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 at 06:07, Carsten Haitzler < > > > > > > > >> > >>>> ras...@rasterman.com> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:27:05 +0000 Andrew > > Williams > > > > < > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > said: > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > hmm well the server isn't down... it's up and > > > > working, > > > > > > www > > > > > > > >> is > > > > > > > >> > >>>> working. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > ssh > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > works for me... i currently don't know why you > > are > > > > > > having > > > > > > > >> ssh > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > issues... :/ > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > No, I have no proxy commands set up. I have > > no > > > > > > > >> peculiarity in > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > networking. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > The physical location and method of > > connecting > > > > were > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> same > > > > > > > >> > >>>> as I > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > have > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > been > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > using for months. The connection was > > unreliable > > > > at > > > > > > best > > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > >> > >>>> got > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > worse as > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > Saturday wore on. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > Some times I could reach the server and > > connect. > > > > Some > > > > > > > >> times I > > > > > > > >> > >>>> got > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > rejected. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > Other times I got no response. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > Additionally I was not the only one. Those > > on IRC > > > > > > were > > > > > > > >> > >>>> agreeing that > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > connection was unreliable at best. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 at 08:33 Carsten > > Haitzler < > > > > > > > >> > >>>> ras...@rasterman.com> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 23:32:25 +0000 Andrew > > > > Williams > > > > > > < > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > said: > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > After an hour of trying to get through to > > > > our git > > > > > > > >> server > > > > > > > >> > >>>> I'm now > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > giving > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > up > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > for the night. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > I understand that there is an unknown > > problem > > > > > > that > > > > > > > >> needs > > > > > > > >> > >>>> to be > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > gotten to > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > the bottom of but I don't understand why > > > > those > > > > > > who > > > > > > > >> were > > > > > > > >> > >>>> able to > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > help > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > no > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > longer have access. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > Can someone in the know please > > communicate > > > > what > > > > > > is > > > > > > > >> going > > > > > > > >> > >>>> on? I > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > know > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > that > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > we > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > are getting our hosting provided kindly > > for > > > > free > > > > > > but > > > > > > > >> > >>>> There are so > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > many > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > free > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > hosting solutions for open source > > projects I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > >> get it > > > > > > > >> > >>>> - we > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > were > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > afraid > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > of the stability of "the new > > sourceforge" but > > > > > > GitHub, > > > > > > > >> > >>>> despite > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > high > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > criticism for its downtime, has been > > > > unavailable > > > > > > for > > > > > > > >> > >>>> barely 2 > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > days > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > over > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > last 2 years... > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > do you have a proxy thing for git.e.org in > > > > your > > > > > > ssh > > > > > > > >> > >>>> config. i can > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > get > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > to > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > git.e.org no problems. all weekend. i > > didn't > > > > have > > > > > > > >> issues. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> my > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > email was > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > down > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > though (separate issue)... > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at 22:41, jaquilina < > > > > > > > >> > >>>> jaquil...@eagleeyet.net > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > All I know is that beber adding my ssh > > key > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> > >>>> system and > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > reencrypted > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > the credentials store which could be > > the > > > > root > > > > > > > >> cause of > > > > > > > >> > >>>> these > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > issues > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > with > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > git over ssh > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > Sent from Samsung tablet. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > From: Andrew Williams < > > > > a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > Date: 15/07/2017 22:59 (GMT+01:00) > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > To: Jonathan Aquilina < > > > > jaquil...@eagleeyet.net > > > > > > >, > > > > > > > >> > >>>> Enlightenment > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > developer > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > list < > > > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Server down > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > Correction, for git I'm getting either > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > >> > >>>> closed or > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > permission > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > denied... every 5th or so connection > > makes > > > > it > > > > > > > >> through. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at 20:46, Andrew > > > > Williams < > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> Thanks to whoever prodded it. Now git > > and > > > > web > > > > > > are > > > > > > > >> > >>>> working > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > again. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> I use git+ssh and it is working OK (on > > > > and off > > > > > > > >> > >>>> actually) but I > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > can't > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > get > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> in through ssh any more. Bu5hm4n and > > > > others > > > > > > have > > > > > > > >> noted > > > > > > > >> > >>>> the > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > same > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > thing. Have > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> permissions on SSH been altered? > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> Andy > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at 15:06 Jonathan > > > > > > Aquilina < > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> I think that it might be worth > > > > contacting the > > > > > > > >> hosting > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > provider > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > as I > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > am > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> wondering if they are doing something > > > > with > > > > > > their > > > > > > > >> > >>>> network > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > hardware or > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> something that is causing our server > > to > > > > > > really > > > > > > > >> not be > > > > > > > >> > >>>> happy. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> --- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Regards, > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Jonathan Aquilina > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> On 2017-07-15 15:59, Derek Foreman > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Somewhat related, I've been > > monitoring > > > > the > > > > > > > >> server with > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > "smokeping" > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> few weeks now, and the majority of > > the > > > > > > blackouts > > > > > > > >> start > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > between > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > 5AM > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> 5:10AM north american central time > > (10ish > > > > > > UTC I > > > > > > > >> > >>>> guess?) > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Sometimes they clear in under an > > hour (I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > >> know > > > > > > > >> > >>>> if this > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > is an > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> automatic recovery or manual > > > > intervention). > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> During the blackouts generally the > > git > > > > > > server is > > > > > > > >> > >>>> partially > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > responsive > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> and the web server is completely > > borked. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Today's blackout started between > > 5:00AM > > > > and > > > > > > > >> 5:10AM > > > > > > > >> > >>>> CST. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > Currently > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> git server is semi responsive and > > the web > > > > > > server > > > > > > > >> is > > > > > > > >> > >>>> hosed. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> I don't know if that gives any useful > > > > input > > > > > > into > > > > > > > >> > >>>> tracking > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > down > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > what's > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> knocking over the house of cards (or > > if > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > >> what's > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > knocking > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > it > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > over is > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> even useful), but there ya go. :D > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Thanks, > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Derek > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> On 2017-07-15 05:26 AM, Andrew > > Williams > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Hi, > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> That's the server keeled over again. > > I > > > > would > > > > > > fix > > > > > > > >> it > > > > > > > >> > >>>> but today > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > it's > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> rejecting my login. > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Can someone please help, I was in the > > > > middle > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > >> > >>>> bunch of > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > work > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > on > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> docuwiki that I would like to > > complete? > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Thanks, > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Andy > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Check out the vibrant tech community > > on > > > > one > > > > > > of > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >> > >>>> world's > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > most > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! > > > > > > > >> > >>>> http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> http://andywilliams.me > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > http://andywilliams.me > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > http://andywilliams.me > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on > > one > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> > >>>> world's most > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! > > > > > > > >> > >>>> http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, > > > > > > therefore I > > > > > > > >> am" > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > -------------- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) > > > > > > > >> ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > http://andywilliams.me > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > >> world's > > > > > > > >> > >>>> most > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! > > > > > > > >> http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > -- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, > > > > therefore I > > > > > > am" > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > -------------- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) > > > > > > ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > -- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > http://andywilliams.me > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > -- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, > > therefore I > > > > am" > > > > > > > >> > >>>> -------------- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) > > > > ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > -- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > http://andywilliams.me > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> -- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I > > am" > > > > > > > >> -------------- > > > > > > > >> > >>>> The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) > > ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > >> > >>>> -- > > > > > > > >> > >>> http://andywilliams.me > > > > > > > >> > >>> http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > > >> > >>> > > > > > > > >> > >> -- > > > > > > > >> > >> http://andywilliams.me > > > > > > > >> > >> http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > -- > > > > > > > >> > > http://andywilliams.me > > > > > > > >> > > http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > -- > > > > > > > >> > http://andywilliams.me > > > > > > > >> > http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > > >> ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > > >> The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > > > http://andywilliams.me > > > > > > > > http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > http://andywilliams.me > > > > > > > http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > > > > -------------- > > > > > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > http://andywilliams.me > > > > > http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > > -------------- > > > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://andywilliams.me > > > http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > > -- > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > -- > http://andywilliams.me > http://ajwillia.ms -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
