2005/7/28, Felix Boecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Once and again : E17 does REAL transparency.
The fact that disturbs a lot of people using e17 is that they can't have 'true transparency' everywhere on the desktop. They think "but WHERE is this f**ing true transparency ? I can't see my terminal under my firefox window. I want true transparency !"
Keep quiet. You always have to keep in mind that e17 doesn't control all the graphic elements present on your desktop, simply because it's just a window manager. And the aim of a wm is to draw borders AROUND windows, and provide ease-to-use and fanciness to your applications environment. But e17 is not able to make your firefox window transparent, because the content of the windows is not rendered by the wm, but by the rendering library used by the application (GTK+ for Firefox).
If you want "true transparency", you'll have to use the composite extension of Xorg, and it's in no way related to what e17 does.
The conclusion is that e17 can do true transparency on what it controls, i.e. windows borders, modules, menus. Keep in mind that the hard work of rendering everything is done by Xorg.
That's also because of this that 'false transparency' is still wanted by users who use applications that need it internally, for instance Eterm. e17 can't render the underlying windows for Eterm. A solution would be a terminal linked to enlightenment as a module.
Cheers - Lionel
what transparency does E17 actually do?
Once and again : E17 does REAL transparency.
anything like what KDE 3.4 does? I have heard about transparency in E17 but so far I've only found reports of fake transparency in console windows.
The fact that disturbs a lot of people using e17 is that they can't have 'true transparency' everywhere on the desktop. They think "but WHERE is this f**ing true transparency ? I can't see my terminal under my firefox window. I want true transparency !"
Keep quiet. You always have to keep in mind that e17 doesn't control all the graphic elements present on your desktop, simply because it's just a window manager. And the aim of a wm is to draw borders AROUND windows, and provide ease-to-use and fanciness to your applications environment. But e17 is not able to make your firefox window transparent, because the content of the windows is not rendered by the wm, but by the rendering library used by the application (GTK+ for Firefox).
If you want "true transparency", you'll have to use the composite extension of Xorg, and it's in no way related to what e17 does.
The conclusion is that e17 can do true transparency on what it controls, i.e. windows borders, modules, menus. Keep in mind that the hard work of rendering everything is done by Xorg.
That's also because of this that 'false transparency' is still wanted by users who use applications that need it internally, for instance Eterm. e17 can't render the underlying windows for Eterm. A solution would be a terminal linked to enlightenment as a module.
Cheers - Lionel
--Fx
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From: "Daniel Kozlowski" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "FORT Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [e-users] Windows Vista
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:03:39 -0400
>
> On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 16:50 +0200, FORT Yannick wrote:
> > Ricardo Birmann wrote:
> > > well, i am sure that xfree does not implement true
> > transparency, but i > think xorg does.... more than that, i think
> > it ca be used with E17
> >
> >
> > If you consider "very experimental, totaly not optimal, working
> > on some hardware only, no software manages it correctly" as "it
> > does", ok, that is true, but i don't consider that (of course,
> > having an ATI videocard may be changing my opinion about real
> > transparency)
> >
> I have used the composite extension on Xorg just to test it out and it
> appears to work well. As far as WM integration goes i am sure it will
> take a release or two of the major WM to integrate true transparency
> ( I think KDE will have it at 4.0 if not 3.x { x | x>5 } ). but it will
> be here before Vista shows up.
>
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