On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:25:16 -0500 "Joe(theWordy)Philbrook" <[email protected]> said:
> > no. e's scaling is its own. it has nothing to do with gtk or qt - it does > > affect elementary though - but elementary will then match e's scaling and > > look like it fits :) e can caluclate the scaling factor it from dpi, > > leave it alone (leave at 1.0) or take a personal scaling factor you > > choose (and it will limit auto and manual scaling values between min and > > max scale values). > > OK so scaling isn't supposed to do what I thought... It's actually > supposed to do what I want?!? What's "elementary" I might ask??? correct. scaling is that thing meant to handle adjusting size of everything - to make it easier to see given the dpi and distance the user is away in normal usage. adjust it until u are happy. :) elementary is a widget set i am working focused mostly and primarily on touchscreen devices - or embedded in general also branching out later to other uses (set top box etc.) so its main needs are to adapt to a wide range of dpis, screen sizes and inputs. dpis' can be anywhere from 25dpi (some of the largest tv's literally are about 25dpi - but you sit on the other side of the room so dpi is entirely useless a measurement of scaling as its all about the actual amount of visual field for the user it uses up), al lthe way to 300dpi+ screens you see on some modern phones. input from remote controls, keyboard, mouse, stylus and fingers. its also meant to look sexy and be very flexibly in the look it can achieve because everyone with a device wants THEIR look at feel on it - not some default. http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary for more info. > > remember - the point here is that 1 size does NOT fit all. where u think > > a totally outrageously massive font is good - i think it wastes my screen > > and time as i now have to scroll all day. the scale settings are there to > > scale not just to a dpi - but to adjust for a users sight and sizing > > preferences. really dpi is a misnoma. it's wrong to scale to dpi. you > > need to scale to VISUAL size. dpi is simply the physical size. a 50" > > screen is the same visual size as a 25" screen - if its 2x as far away, > > but its dpi is half of the 25" screen. you'd want the same scaling > > factor on both. it depends on dpi AND how far it is from you AND on your > > visual acuity. the machine can only perhaps figure out DPI based on > > monitor ddc info and resolution. the rest is unknown, thus a scaling > > factor for users to set. :) > > Now I'm frightened... that actually made sense to me! > > So since my desktop's current monitor is only 17" it makes sense > that if vga=normal is actually forcing an 80x25 full screen font that > is actually larger on a larger monitor then, yeah I can see how it > might look wasteful on a monitor that's half again larger than mine. > Add to that that it's about one and a half arms lengths away... bingo :) it ALSO depends how far away you keep your screen. do you keep your 17" 50cm away? 40cm? 80cm? 1m? same with my 27" - dpi is a false way to "adjust" its just a hint. this falls apart for handheld devices or tv's in the living room. the average pc screen on a desk is also a different distance away from the average laptop screen... and then it also depends on where you are. laptop on lap at airport? laptop on desk at home? on the airplane table swashed 25cm from my face because of the sardine tin arrangement of seats? :) > > > I was really hoping that somewhere there was a configuration option to > > > select such things as what fonts are used in the menus, and pop-up gui > > > tools... > > > > there is - scale settings. everything scales that is set to. of course > > if you sue some other theme or a distribution and packages that use an > > altered theme - your mileage will vary. the default tags elements > > properly. > > And "that" as it turns out explains my inconclusive results when I > tried to use scaling the first time. As it happens I had previously > lamented that I couldn't seem to use the keyboard to answer pop-up > confirmations such as the one for the logout function. And some kind > hearted sole recommended the "detour" theme because with it I could see > a highlighting around the default button, change it with tab, and push > the selected button with enter... you still can with the default - it just doesnt show the focused widget :) i just havent done focus states. i really need to do it a different way tho. anyway :) > It turns out that the only part of that that detour did, which the > default theme didn't was the highlighting of the currently selected > choice. AND it seems that it was this theme that prevented scaling > from affecting the menu fonts etc... But now that my fingers expect > "<ctrl>+<alt>+<del> <tab> <enter>" to do it I don't really NEED to > see which choice is highlighted anymore... > > Thanks for spending so much of your time explaining it to me. :) -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
