Hi Carsten :) hi Jochen :)

>> However I think this is really _very_ low priority. BTW what is the way 
>> gnome/kde do this?
>>     

I'll stop this debate at this point, because it tends to become a debate 
on principles. From my experiences I can say, that I'm unable to prompt 
people to use Linux, instead of proprietary OSs, because they are not 
willing to reach the level of knowledge, that's needed for Linux. Less 
people pay for the proprietary software on other OSs. I agree that most 
Linux users don't have the problems "I've got". I'll repeat it, it 
wasn't a problem for me, I just wanted to point out that this might be a 
cause for the fact that people are using cracked proprietary software, 
instead of using software that is FLOSS. I might be wrong, we don't need 
to discuss this on this mailing list.

For KDE I never had any troubles because of defaults, while GNOME can 
cause troubles, this depends to the distro.

Carsten wanted to know why people sometimes use different DEs. Again, I 
mentioned it before. KDE for example has got a comfort, that other DEs 
don't have, at least this is the standpoint of some people, e.g. because 
of Konqueror. If it's needed or not, is another question, even KDE 
changed the default file browser from Konqueror to Dolphin.
Some people have computers with less resources, a program like 
recordMyDesktop can't run on KDE, but is fine while running on Ion2, 
certainly this isn't something that users do very often, but some users 
do their day-to-day work and real-time recording with Linux. Please read 
audio mailing list archives and you'll see that resources are a serious 
problem, when people do the mastering, or just do a little test. Launch 
JACK, run top and then launch JAMin. Even on a state of the art computer 
just running JAMin, without any real-time processing, will increase CPU 
load rapidly. Run a complete studio in the box by using large soundfonts 
etc. and compare the load by using different WMs/ DEs.

Anyway, this would become a debate on principles and I won't discuss 
this. I agree that e17's default configuration is  'really _very_ low 
priority', because e17 isn't a DE that is used by distros very often. 
Btw. freedesktop standards doesn't seem to be fine all the time and in 
addition for real-time users there are a lot of common Linux issues that 
are unwanted, dbus, pulseaudio and other common stuff.

Again, I believe that most e17 users are fine with the defaults, but 
maybe a lot of people aren't users, because they aren't fine with the 
defaults. But I won't discuss this, because I know the results of 
debates on principles for e.g. dbus, pulseaudio, xyzkid and co ;).

Maybe we can leave it at ... I reported that installing e17 caused 
confusion on the GNOME desktop. It's solvable and IMO a problem for 
users and in your opinion it isn't a problem.

Cheers,
Ralf

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