On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:33:53 +0200 Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net> said:
> IMO e17 isn't user friendly because the e17 coders expect to much > knowledge from the users and even users with knowledge sometimes don't > like to spend too much time to set up a DE. E17 is very particular about > this. Just my impression. I guess his tone of voice was over the > shoulder, but not bad. Again just my impression. how does e17 "expect too much knowledge from the user". it expects very little. of course if u are compiling it yourself we expect u to have the requisite knowledge of a developer who compiles things all the time. but other than that it does kind of handhold you a lot. from the first time it starts it asks a few simple questions and has you set up and running. i don't see how it requires a lot of knowledge to use e17 effectively. ... <rant> <!-- do not read this if you are easily offended. i warned you. --> maybe users are spoilt. maybe i should dump a lot of these "users" you speak of only a slackware distro from 12 years ago where you HAD to write your own XF86Config from scratch or have no gui. were u HAD to write a ~/.xsession or simply have no choice in wm (u get the system one and thats it). when u had no system app menus - like todays xdg freedesktop menus that can list installed apps and icons. u had to KNOW the cmd-line to run every app and add them to fixed custom config in your wm... whenevr u installed a new app.. or removed it... when window managers wouldnt align windows for you - you manually placed them together and you even didnt have smart placement. in fact you regularly struggled to get apps to work in both 8bit, 16 and 24bit (if you were lucky enough to even manage 24 or 16bit). you would run out of colors in 8bit and your colormaps would flash between different custom ones... when kernels really HAD to be hand-compiles. when you needed to make sure the boot partition was within the first few mb of disk so lilo could find and load the kernel at all... and you specially partitioned to make that work. you think we expect too much knowledge of users? i'd dearly love to put these users who think "we expect users to know too much" into the shoes i started linux with 12 + years ago. when nothing gave me a helping hand and hand-held me down the path. when you were presented with fdisk to partition and this was the first time u'd ever user an x86 pc, letalone partitioned with the obtuse cmd-line fdisk interface. then you had to choose where to install and were not even presented with choices - you had to manually type in /dev/hda1 when u had no idea what /dev was or /dev/hda1 etc. etc. and you had to learn this as it was all 100% new. in the days before google existed or you could search for documentation online. you read manual pages and howto's that were on your disk. if the were not there you simply had to play and figure it out and use logic to learn how it worked ... people actually spent time LEARNING stuff because you had to. you didn't just whine that things are too hard and give up. these users you speak of who find we "ask too much" i say are molly-coddled softies who are too lazy to get off their own backsides and actually read documentation, do some research and rub 2 brain-cells together to make fire. </rant> -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
