On Fri, 13 May 2011 07:03:19 +0100 Mick <michaelkintz...@gmail.com> said:
> On Friday 13 May 2011 00:50:04 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Thu, 12 May 2011 17:46:54 +0200 PaulTT <pau...@gmail.com> said: > > > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > wrote: > > > > On Tue, 3 May 2011 21:43:46 -0300 Wido <wido...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > > no they asked about APPLICATION menus being split out. not just having > > > > things in e that can display menus. the actual app menu at the top of > > > > app windows is removed from app (requires app/toolkit support) and > > > > then moved to a shared mac-os style single menu bar at the screen top. > > > > (which is actually fundamentally incompatible with things like pointer > > > > focus). > > > > > > yes, you understood in the right way (i had no doubt about ;P) > > > > > > and yes, it's pratically unuseful with mouse pointer focus (which btwI i > > > use) > > > > > > i was curious primarily because of new gnome3 and unity interfaces > > > > understood. :) and as i said. no support for it. it's not even on a todo > > list or on a wishlist for me. i don't see the point. it's extra > > complexity, rules out things like pointer/sloppy foucs and i argue has no > > usability gain over menus inside a window. sure you can kind of argue > > "fitts law" (ie just slide mouse up to top of screen), but you still have > > to place the mouse horizontally at the right menu location anyway and then > > u still need to navigate to the right item. the mouse now also has to > > travel further to the top of the screen AND the menu bar is visually > > detached from the application it belongs to and only 1 is visible at a > > time, these negating any possible gains in screen realestate and fitts law > > imho. i'm sure this is up for debate, but i am not seeing a justification > > of the work involved to support it nor the loss of other time saving > > features (pointer focus). > > +1 > > I'd rather have the menu bar of the application on the application window > itself and also much prefer sloppy focus. With larger and larger/wider > screens when moving from the bottom right to the top left is soon becoming a > session in Wii-Fit on its own! So I'll vote against making e an applemac me- > too. well it'd never be a default in e (over my dead stinking rotting corpse... or unless you can convince me it is actually better - been there. used it in my amiga days. it had the menu bar there too. it's not better. it's at best "just different" but most likely worse for usability). i would not be against supporting it - but it'd be an option, not a default, AND... that means to support it someone has to implement the support... and i see no justification for doing the work... and trust me.. i'm not bored and looking for things to do... i have plenty of things to do of much higher priority. :) -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
