On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:55 PM, The Wanderer <wande...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > As suggested in the "feature parity" thread, here's a list of things I want to > be able to do in a window manager, which I could do in E16, and which I > haven't > figured out how to do in E17. > > (There are probably more things than I've managed to remember so far, which > I'll > notice once I get past these and get deeper into the nitty-gritty details. As > such, more may follow.) > > > I want to have the same visual style (window decorations, WM-element colors, > et > cetera) as with the classic BlueSteel theme. > > I get the impression that in order to achieve this. I'll have to create an E17 > analogue to that theme myself. >
You will. e17 is not e16 and e17 uses other themes. > > I want to have a plain black background, instead of an image-file wallpaper. > (For that matter, any other single color should also be possible.) > > Having to keep a plain-black image around just for this purpose would be an > undesirable kludge, and a mild aggravation on the grounds of "this shouldn't > be > necessary!", and as such I don't desire to do it. > This used to exist, and it's not very hard to implement again. For now, feel free to not change anything at all or just use a 1x1 pixel black gif. > > I want to have no desktop icons, period. > > A bit of experimentation has revealed that the created-by-default icons can be > gotten rid of by deleting ~/Desktop/, but it is not clear whether icons will > ever be displayed from any other location, nor whether anything will ever > automatically re-generate the ~/Desktop/ directory. > You're doing it wrong. Desktop Icons are part of the file manager and can therefore be turned off in the filemanager settings. Not hard to find. > > I want to be able to use one mouse button to switch between desktops in the > pager, and a different mouse button to move windows around in the pager. > The default setting is: Mouse 1 (Left Mouse Button) for desktop switching, Mouse 2 (Middle Mouse Button) for window dragging. For now, they can't be repositioned on one desktop with the pager, but moved between desktops with different mouse buttons. > > I want to be able to decide which way a window should maximize (horizontally, > vertically, or both) at maximize time. > > E17 provides a way to control this globally as a system-wide config option, > but > unlike with E16, no apparent way to make the decision manually at maximize > time. > Context menu of the window (right click on the border): Window -> Maximize. Not hard to find. > > I want to be able to set "window opacity" to 100%, except for cases in which > the > program itself specifies that a particular part of the window should be > transparent. > > E17 works this way by default with compositing turned off. I'm simply saying > that I want to be able to get that same behavior back (that is, to disable > translucency effects) even if compositing can't be turned off. I think I > recall > having found a way to do this already, but I can't confirm that offhand right > at > the moment. > > > I want to be able to jump to any window (including restoring "iconified" ones) > from any desktop readily at any time, without having to dedicate screen space > to > this functionality at any other time. > > In E16, I can do this by closing the "iconbox" window, and using the > alt-middle-click "list all windows" menu. E17 doesn't seem to have any > equivalent capability that I recall having found. > e17 can easily list all windows, in the more than obviously named setting "Window List Menu". > > I want the pager to not display miniature "snapshots" of the contents of > windows, just representations of the location and size of those windows. > > In E16, this could be done by setting the pager to "Simple" mode. E17 does not > appear to have any option to disable this behavior. > in e17 this is theme specific and generally there actually _won't_ be mini snapshots, but representations. e17 does generally not take screenshots of windows as e16 did, so this even requires compositing to accomplish. > > I want to be able to have windows overlap between "desktops", and visible on > both sides. > > Specifically, I've found this useful for A: windows too large in some > dimension > to fit on the screen (e.g. for very large image files), and B: windows which > get > automatically placed so that the window-manager decorations are offscreen (and > so the window "handles", other than for resize, aren't readily accessible from > the desktop where the window was placed). A brother of mine also uses this to > play games from Simon G. Tatham's "puzzles" collection, such as Net or > LightUp, > with custom play-space sizes larger than will fit on his screen. > > I know that you've spoken about this feature before, and IIRC, said that it's > not coming. It's still something I want, and so I'm listing it here > regardless. > Not possible. Just move the window so the current workplaces shows the part you want to see. > > I would like to be able to place the pager in any arbitrary location, rather > than just in whatever locations a "shelf" can be pinned to. > > In E16, the pager was just another window, and could be moved around (and > redecorated) like any other window; I personally consider this to be an > advantage. In E17, it's apparently a "shelf" gadget, which while it probably > has > its advantages apparently also has its limitations as well. > > Note that I myself don't actually *need* this - I normally put the pager in > the > top right corner, and there's an option to pin a "shelf" there, so that would > potentially work for me. However, this does seem like a customizability > regression, and I believe one of my brothers does use a sufficiently > nonstandard > pager location that he would be impacted by this limitation. > You can place the pager in any shelf at any position, or you can place it at any place on the desktop using the "Gadgets" module. > > That's all I can think of off the top of my head, though as mentioned above, > I'm > sure there's more. (There are probably some things which I don't remember > because I've never needed to configure them, since E16 does them "right" by > default, but for which E17 has changed the default.) > > > However, as long as I'm here, I'd like to ask about one other change - not > something I myself actively need, but something I've noticed which seems odd. > > Fairly late on as far as I recall, E16 added support for "window groups" - > that > is, tying multiple windows together so that the same set of flags (e.g. > "sticky") and of "remember" settings would be applied to all of them > collectively. > > As far as I can tell, E17 does not include this feature at all, or any even > vaguely comparable functionality. Is that accurate? If so, is it intentional? > e17 does not use groups, but you can use the "Remember" setting to set a specified set of attributes for any window matching a set of attributes. E.g. window names, window classes, ... > -- > The Wanderer > > Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any > side of it. > > Every time you let somebody set a limit they start moving it. > - LiveJournal user antonia_tiger > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. 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