On 07/30/2012 12:15 PM, thomasg wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:55 PM, The Wanderer <wande...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> As suggested in the "feature parity" thread, here's a list of things I want
>> to be able to do in a window manager, which I could do in E16, and which I
>> haven't figured out how to do in E17.
>>
>> (There are probably more things than I've managed to remember so far, which
>> I'll notice once I get past these and get deeper into the nitty-gritty
>> details. As such, more may follow.)
>>
>>
>> I want to have the same visual style (window decorations, WM-element
>> colors, et cetera) as with the classic BlueSteel theme.
>>
>> I get the impression that in order to achieve this. I'll have to create an
>> E17 analogue to that theme myself.
>
> You will. e17 is not e16 and e17 uses other themes.
I won't if someone else has already created such a theme, or if there's some
non-theme-based way to affect these, but since neither of those appears to be
true...
>> I want to have a plain black background, instead of an image-file
>> wallpaper. (For that matter, any other single color should also be
>> possible.)
>>
>> Having to keep a plain-black image around just for this purpose would be an
>> undesirable kludge, and a mild aggravation on the grounds of "this
>> shouldn't be necessary!", and as such I don't desire to do it.
>
> This used to exist, and it's not very hard to implement again.
Which is therefore what I'm requesting.
> For now, feel free to not change anything at all
How will that help?
> or just use a 1x1 pixel black gif.
Which is the "undesirable kludge" I was talking about. Yes, I can do it, but IMO
I shouldn't have to.
>> I want to have no desktop icons, period.
>>
>> A bit of experimentation has revealed that the created-by-default icons can
>> be gotten rid of by deleting ~/Desktop/, but it is not clear whether icons
>> will ever be displayed from any other location, nor whether anything will
>> ever automatically re-generate the ~/Desktop/ directory.
>
> You're doing it wrong. Desktop Icons are part of the file manager and can
> therefore be turned off in the filemanager settings. Not hard to find.
Not if you think of the desktop as being part of the file manager, probably not.
It didn't even occur to me to consider that as a possibility, however, so it's
no surprise that I didn't find it. (I would have found it if I'd gone in to look
at the file-manager options, but since I don't use a file manager and don't plan
to, I didn't bother.)
Thank you; this does seem suitable.
>> I want to be able to use one mouse button to switch between desktops in the
>> pager, and a different mouse button to move windows around in the pager.
>
> The default setting is: Mouse 1 (Left Mouse Button) for desktop switching,
> Mouse 2 (Middle Mouse Button) for window dragging. For now, they can't be
> repositioned on one desktop with the pager, but moved between desktops with
> different mouse buttons.
Fortunately, I don't want to use different buttons for "move around within a
desktop" and "move between desktops". I just want to use different buttons for
"move windows via the pager" and "switch desktops via the pager".
Despire my searching through the options, I didn't discover the fact that
middle-click can be used for window dragging. However, that doesn't completely
satisfy this, as I more specifically want to use right-click to switch between
desktops and left-click to drag windows. Again, E16 made that simple; does E17
allow it?
>> I want to be able to decide which way a window should maximize
>> (horizontally, vertically, or both) at maximize time.
>>
>> E17 provides a way to control this globally as a system-wide config option,
>> but unlike with E16, no apparent way to make the decision manually at
>> maximize time.
>
> Context menu of the window (right click on the border): Window -> Maximize.
> Not hard to find.
It's actually under Window -> Placement -> Maximize -> [individual actions].
So apparently this is indeed doable, albeit less conveniently than was the case
in E16 (where it was just a matter of which mouse button to click with).
>> I want to be able to jump to any window (including restoring "iconified"
>> ones) from any desktop readily at any time, without having to dedicate
>> screen space to this functionality at any other time.
>>
>> In E16, I can do this by closing the "iconbox" window, and using the
>> alt-middle-click "list all windows" menu. E17 doesn't seem to have any
>> equivalent capability that I recall having found.
>
> e17 can easily list all windows, in the more than obviously named setting
> "Window List Menu".
...you're right, and I apologize; I should have found that one.
The reason I didn't is simply that I was expecting it to be in the same
"middle-click menu" as before, and with that gone, it didn't occur to me to look
in the single remaining menu. Given how much else seems to have been merged into
there, it should have.
>> I want the pager to not display miniature "snapshots" of the contents of
>> windows, just representations of the location and size of those windows.
>>
>> In E16, this could be done by setting the pager to "Simple" mode. E17 does
>> not appear to have any option to disable this behavior.
>
> in e17 this is theme specific and generally there actually _won't_ be mini
> snapshots, but representations. e17 does generally not take screenshots of
> windows as e16 did, so this even requires compositing to accomplish.
Hmm. You seem to be right; it just didn't look that way when I was examining the
pager during my previous testing. (And the representations themselves appear
fancier, and use the theme colors, to such a point that I thought the
representation of the Settings panel - which also uses those colors - was an
actual image of it. I apologize for the mistake.)
>> I want to be able to have windows overlap between "desktops", and visible
>> on both sides.
>>
>> Specifically, I've found this useful for A: windows too large in some
>> dimension to fit on the screen (e.g. for very large image files), and B:
>> windows which get automatically placed so that the window-manager
>> decorations are offscreen (and so the window "handles", other than for
>> resize, aren't readily accessible from the desktop where the window was
>> placed). A brother of mine also uses this to play games from Simon G.
>> Tatham's "puzzles" collection, such as Net or LightUp, with custom
>> play-space sizes larger than will fit on his screen.
>>
>> I know that you've spoken about this feature before, and IIRC, said that
>> it's not coming. It's still something I want, and so I'm listing it here
>> regardless.
>
> Not possible. Just move the window so the current workplaces shows the part
> you want to see.
Not always suitable, and in some cases potentially not possible (e.g. when the
window is fullscreen, with the "move" handles placed offscreen, and the pager
isn't visible).
Regardless, I know this isn't possible under current E17; I'm saying I *want* to
be able to do it, and thus requesting that it be implemented. I recognize that
it probably won't, but I still want it to be.
>> I would like to be able to place the pager in any arbitrary location,
>> rather than just in whatever locations a "shelf" can be pinned to.
>>
>> In E16, the pager was just another window, and could be moved around (and
>> redecorated) like any other window; I personally consider this to be an
>> advantage. In E17, it's apparently a "shelf" gadget, which while it
>> probably has its advantages apparently also has its limitations as well.
>>
>> Note that I myself don't actually *need* this - I normally put the pager in
>> the top right corner, and there's an option to pin a "shelf" there, so that
>> would potentially work for me. However, this does seem like a
>> customizability regression, and I believe one of my brothers does use a
>> sufficiently nonstandard pager location that he would be impacted by this
>> limitation.
>
> You can place the pager in any shelf at any position,
How? As far as I see, shelves can only be placed in predetermined positions, not
in "any position".
> or you can place it at any place on the desktop using the "Gadgets" module.
That I wasn't aware of. Thank you; I'll look into that.
--
The Wanderer
Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any
side of it.
Every time you let somebody set a limit they start moving it.
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