On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:50:36 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:30:31 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > said: > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:52:56 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:34:43 +1000 David Seikel > > > <onef...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:27:27 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The > > > > Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:16:38 +1000 David Seikel > > > > > <onef...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > > > > he's complaining about lack of features in e17 vs e16... and > > > > > the comp dialog hasnt split advanced vs basic - its all > > > > > advanced. all options there. > > > > > > > > The composite settings dialog is just one of the things he > > > > brought up in this thread, but I don't think there was one in > > > > e16, so E16 is irrelevant to this part of the conversation. > > > > > > > > It's not advanced, it's so far past advanced it's silly. > > > > That's my point. Even advanced users can't use it. > > > > > > then don't touch what u don't understand. those settings exist > > > because that's how comp works. several of them exist due to > > > faults in drivers and for fine tuning optimizations. if you don't > > > know - then don't touch. > > > > Which is the exact opposite of the advice you gave to "just try it > > and see". You can't have both. I'm pointing out that those parts > > you are saying to "just try it and see" are just as hard to figure > > out as the parts you are now saying "don't touch what you don't > > understand". > > the thing i was talking about was the 1 and only list "style -> > default" and the selector. how is that not clear u are selecting the > default style? u can play with all (but indirect rendering) settings > without any problem. it wont hurt to hit and try. if you are of the > opinion its all so complicated for you - then leave it alone and be > happy. i just dont get it - the same selection mechanism is used in > theme and wallpaper selectors, but somehow at least you 2 have a > mental block thinking that this has to be somehow different. > > > No one understands any parts of it, this is the problem. That > > dialog really needs a major overhaul, and it seems that the only > > people that understand enough of it to do that overhaul are the > > people that wrote it. This makes it almost entirely useless for > > every one else. > > > > Face it raster, it's a raster only settings dialog, and you can't > > tell people "just try it and see" and also tell them "don't touch > > what you don't understand". Coz they don't understand any of it, > > and are telling you they don't understand any of it. You just > > can't have it both ways raster. > > try settings and see what happens. if u find this too scary then dont > try anything and leave them alone. that goes for EVERY SINGLE > settings value in any and every app everywhere. if u are scared of > selecting "delete" when a file is selected... then DONT. if that > confuses you - then dont do it. if you are happy with trying it and > seeing what happens then try - go for it. > > your complain was one of complete bewilderment at almost anything in > the dialog > - then don't touch the bits u don't understand if it scares you to > touch them. > > not everything in e has been dumbed down to hide all the options. i > didn't want to bother doing much more of it until we were using elm > for dialogs. I think it might help Styles -> default if you put all four of the window effects on the screen at the same time. Should be enough space in each styles row. Then trigger them all on the timer to show the change for those that change. Just a thought. I was also thinking having the styles as a drop down to select, then show all the window effects in the place of the list. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
