On Wednesday November 7 2012 07:19:30 Cedric BAIL escribió:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:17 AM, thomasg <tho...@gstaedtner.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:22:23 +0200 (EET) Robert Krambovitis
> >> <rob...@split.gr>
> >> said:
> >>
> >>> > From: "Carsten Haitzler"
> >>> > To: "Enlightenment users discussion & support"
> >>> > <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Cc: "P Purkayastha"
> >>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:30:29 PM
> >>> > Subject: Re: [e-users] wsod
> >>> >
> >>> > On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:17:29 +0800 P Purkayastha
> >>> > said:
> >>> >
> >>> > > On 11/06/2012 05:53 PM, Stefano wrote:
> >>> > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:16 AM, P Purkayastha
> >>> > > > wrote:
> >>> > > >> Well, that's what you get for not reading what is written on the
> >>> > > >> screen.
> >>> > > >> It is very clearly written what each option means. If you
> >>> > > >> approach any
> >>> > > >> software (not only E) with the mentality of clicking random
> >>> > > >> buttons
> >>> > > >> whenever a dialog pops up, a disaster will happen some time or
> >>> > > >> the other.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Sure thing, however a good design should avoid such slips.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20010204.html
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > ;-)
> >>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > All that is ok. But what kind of "good design" can you have with an
> >>> > > xmessage like alert box? The one thrown by e has got *only* two
> >>> > > options:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > F1 Recover
> >>> > > F2 Exit
> >>> > >
> >>> > > It should be clear that what we want to do is "recover" our work.
> >>> > > Hence,
> >>> > > why would I even bother to exit?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Secondly, this kind of dialog shows the user that something went
> >>> > > bad. If
> >>> > > you restart it silently then the user has no means of knowing why E
> >>> > > suddenly started to restart by itself. There could be a
> >>> > > notification,
> >>> > > but the user who doesn't read such popups won't read notifications
> >>> > > as
> >>> > > well. And the developer or more curious user who wants to debug
> >>> > > can't
> >>> > > debug either (part of the reason for the dialog is to aid in
> >>> > > debugging).
> >>> >
> >>> > if you get into segfault cycles (ie it keeps segving eery time
> >>> > immediately)
> >>> > then u WANT to be able to exit. its a necessary evil.
> >>>
> >>> @carsten: afaik if it crashes repeatedly, the modules are automatically
> >>> unloaded, which in many cases stops the crashing. At the end of the day, I
> >>> can always ctrl+alt+backspace/f1 and do something about it.
> >>
> >> many distros turn off ctrl+alt+backspace. if bug is not in a module you
> >> have
> >> this problem anyway. and if it is the novice user in your example above..
> >> they
> >> have no idea how to do this anyway.
> >>
> >>> @ppurka: f2 exit -> exit what ? What is enlightenment ? You think that
> >>> everyone that uses is knows what it is ? Why will exiting enlightenment
> >>> kill
> >>> all my applications ? I didn't say exit browser, or exit email, or exit
> >>> whatever else, and especially not exit X .. ! In the event of my
> >>> colleague,
> >>> he comes from a computer environment that "just works".
> >>>
> >>> What I'm saying is that it's hazardous (in the computer sense), and users
> >>> will (at least once) select the wrong option. I go back to my original
> >>> post
> >>> and request a "configuration option". Therefore devs can have it one way,
> >>> system builders can have it the other way. Especially since system
> >>> builders
> >>> will first test for problems before pushing updates to repositories for
> >>> the
> >>> end users.
> >>>
> >
> > I, too, agree, that doing auto-restart is not the way to go, however,
> > I, too, have accidentally pressed F2 when I wanted F1.
> > So how about just taking the simple solution and move from F2 to, say, F12?
> > :)
> >
> > Patch attached.
>
> Sounds like a good idea to me. We apply the change. I am also thinking
> that renaming Exit to Kill (or maybe Murder) will help people try to
> avoid using it in most situation.
+1 to use F1 and F12
Also +1 to Stefano and:
'...
F1: restart E17 Desktop Environment
F12: exit E17 Desktop Environment (ALL your applications will be closed
and unsaved data will be lost!)
...'
And looooots of +1 for the day we won't se the wsod, because E won't crash
anymore :D
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> Cedric BAIL
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