On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Jérôme Pinot <ngc...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 03/30/13 10:52, Cedric BAIL wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > On 29/03/2013 21:30, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Mick <michaelkintz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Guys, will the rest of us who are not using RHL clusters, or distros that >> >>> are >> >>> adopting wholesale systemd and udev, end up being locked out of the >> >>> party? >> >> >> >> unfortunately no, but they should >> > >> > I hope that's a joke. >> > >> > I do not use systemd and have no interest in doing so. >> >> You seriously should. >> >> > May I point out that e17 is a window manager/desktop shell, not >> > something else? I don't like it when WM authors do silly things like try >> > to dictate what basic system software I should use. Just sayin' >> >> Enlightenment does currently have a less than good daemon named >> enlightenment_start, that doesn't even do 10% of what systemd user >> session provide. I know that, I am the one who wrote it. I have no >> interest into copying the feature and redeveloping them just for the >> sake of not relying on some piece of software that your religion >> forbid you to use. I do have an interest on improving Enlightenment, >> but I don't have one into reinventing another unnecessary wheel. >> Systemd is clearly providing a technical improvement to the current >> state of affair. It improve our reliability, our security and our >> performance. As a superior piece of technology, not taking benefit of >> it, is just silly ! But because silly distribution do exist, we will >> continue to provide a working solution for them. Here the important >> term is "working". You will just not have the best possible >> environment. >> I do believe that Enlightenment is driven by choosing the best >> possible technical solution to provide the best possible experience on >> your hardware. Not by religious belief and I am not going to limit the >> capability of Enlightenment for those silly belief, but you can limit >> yourself if you want. > > There are some technical reasons for not using systemd. One of them: bugs > http://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&product=systemd > > And some of the bugs require changes in the linux kernel the systemd > devs asked for and are still waiting for. Not sure it's going to happend > anytime soon. That's a weird design issue. > > On the other end, my traditional BSD init system worked flawlessly for > the last 15 years. That's not a religious belief, that's a fact :-)
For a certain definition of flawlessly ;-) > I really hope that systemd will remain optional for E in the future. E16 > worked everywhere, E17 works everywhere. If E18 happens to work only on > the systemd distro, it will be a step back and the project will lose > audience.. As previously stated, systemd will never become a strong dependency of EFL or Enlightenment even if Lennart succeed in his plan to conquer the world. It will always remain an optional dependency. -- Cedric BAIL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Own the Future-Intel(R) Level Up Game Demo Contest 2013 Rise to greatness in Intel's independent game demo contest. Compete for recognition, cash, and the chance to get your game on Steam. $5K grand prize plus 10 genre and skill prizes. Submit your demo by 6/6/13. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/12124-176961-30367-2 _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
