On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 09:20:19 +0900 Florian Schaefer <list...@netego.de> said:
> Hello enlightenment, > > thanks to everybody for their hard efforts in developing this amazing > piece of software. Been using E for 10+ years now (I guess). Though, > lately it is making my life a bit more difficult (to say the least) and > I am getting to the point where I seriously considered switching to a > different WM as I cannot get my most basic tasks done any more. So I > decided to join the users discussions and try to slowly get my troubles > mended out. ;-) > > I am running the latest (ok, currently dating back to Sunday) git of > pretty much everything on a Debian/sid, and my problems started about > two or three weeks ago, I guess. > > One of them is related to window focus. I use sloppy focus and ever so > often it goes astray: I have, e.g., a java application, Pauker, that at > some point emits some kind of "alert", getting the focus. However, the > window is at that time on another virtual desktop and the window my > mouse cursor currently resides in is still having the decorations to > tell me "hey, I have currently the focus". Even moving the mouse between > some windows does not recover the focus (even though the title bars > indicate activated windows as expected). I am forced to switch to the > Pauker application, do something there and only after that I finally > regain control over my focus. > > I am experiencing a similar issue sometimes with the "Wicd Network > Manager" GUI window. It seems to have the focus when I hover with the > mouse over it. But then I try to press the connect button and just at > that moment it goes out of focus and the click gets to the underlying > window instead. To fix this I need to switch a bit between virtual > desktops and other windows until I can finally click this nasty connect > button. Very unnerving. > > Another point is application icons. Most of my application icons have > disappeared, both in the start menus (that's not so bad) and in the > windows itself (it get's kind of tricky to distinguish between several > minimized applications if all of them are without any kind of icon). The > point is that I cannot make out the system behind which icons are > missing. Some system applications are fine, some are not. Some of my > .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications are fine, some are not. > And it also does not seem to be related to a particular type of image > format. Tried to delete the efreet cache, to no avail. I also tried to > define the application icons again by using the "create icon" function, > but this also does not work, the icon is shown in the configuration > dialog but seems to be discarded I closed this dialog (well, honestly > speaking I cannot remember a time in all those years where the "create > icon" function really reliably worked for me). > > Perhaps related to that, most applications have also vanished from > Everything, and I get messages such as "app not found acroread" on the > console. Even though my acroread is still there and happily around. > > I think that are my two main points for now: Trouble working at all > because I cannot get to focus the windows I need to be in focus and > trouble identifying them as they do not have any icons. > > I complied all e related stuff for a long time now without physics, > without gstreamer and without pulseaudio. But as someone introduced this > --really-nice-new-super-long-configure-option I tried to get at least > physics and gstreamer into efl. But really, I do not need a desktop > environment, just a window manager. I disabled anything related to efm > and could curse any program that creates a ~/Desktop folder. I do not > want this dammed thing. Therefore I also do not understand why I am > forced into compiling fancy stuff like physics simulation or video > playback into my WM. (I am happy using mplayer and and additonal video > libraries I am forced to install are just bloating my system without any > additional benefit to me.) But that's another, more philosophical, > question for now I guess... ;-) this one is not a bug. :) reality is we are building a TOOLKIT too - for making applications. i recently put a video player in git (rage) and it relies on features you are disabling. the pyhsics engine is a feature that is exposed in edje to theme writers to allow a physics engine to control animation to save them time i hand-defining it themselves, also allowing for more natural reactions to things. it's there for a good reason - to provide easier development of themes and better user experience. it ALSO helps with people making apps - like games, that want to use a physics engine - it provides one nicely integrated with efl and evas etc. out of the box saving time and effort for each developer repeating the same integration work. YOU may not want it, but others do. your wm has 1000's of features compiled in and you have no option to remove them... of which you never actually use a vast majority of them. that's how it works - to keep users happy and give them choice, and what they like, it costs extra code and features. > OK, sorry for the long rant, and cheers to everyone, > Florian it'd be really nice if you can file each of these separate things as a bug task on phab.enlightenment.org with as much information as possible on how to reproduce it. :) -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. 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