Mozilla,


Has Java Plug-in support been dropped in 60esr? Am I missing a pref setting?



Thanks in advance,

Ryan Kasper



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Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 1:43 PM
To: Joel Baltazor
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Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] differences between 60 and 60esr?

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Joel Baltazor 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
May I be the first (and hopefully not only!) to say "please don't require a 
machine to be domain-joined".   We've attempted to manage Chrome a few times, 
but since our machines are not Domain-joined many of the policies options are 
ignored, making it just about impossible to manage Chrome.  Please don't do the 
same thing in Firefox.

Our Windows machines are centrally managed and in some cases we do set local 
Group Policy (often just by tweaking the relevant registry entries), but we 
don't have AD or Domain-joined machines.  Please don't exclude us from being 
able to manage Firefox just because we don't have AD (or domain-joined 
machines).

I realize that this discussion is about RR and not ESR, but I'd hate to see the 
code for an RR "domain-joined" match end up in ESR and prevent places like mine 
from managing Firefox.

I can promise you that won't happen. The only place where we would have a 
domain joined requirement is on Rapid Release.

Mike



Thanks,
Joel




On 5/8/2018 9:36 AM, Mike Kaply wrote:
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Robert Marcano 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 05/08/2018 03:54 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,

I'm wondering if there are any differences between upcoming Firefox 60
and 60esr releases in code or in configuration?

Some policies are exclusive to ESR. I personally do not like that, but there 
are reasons Mozilla want to avoid regular users to be locked by the usage of 
those settings.

The problem is that because those policies are simply registry entries, any 
application can simply set them. Google originally worked around this by using 
Active Directory specific APIs instead of the registry, but eventually gave up 
and moved back to registry. They now only allow certain policies on Windows if 
connected to an Active Directory server.


Note: I find the locking of the settings too easy to bypass by malware (even if 
autoconfig is removed in the future), just unpack the onmi.ja and update the 
JSON definition of the policies and ready, those policies are available for non 
ESR builds (IIRC omni.ja is not signed in any way and not checked at load time)

The difference is that a change like that would be immediately corrected on the 
next update to Firefox, whereas laying down policies or autoconfig persist 
across Firefox updates. Obviously we can't protect against everything, but we 
can certainly try our best.


I hope the github issue about allowing all policies on non ESR build when the 
machine is on a domain is implemented, and I wish for, all Linux machines 
(settings policies implementation for Linux requires root)

That's certainly the plan. The main reason I didn't turn on all policies for 
Linux and Mac is that I wanted to have a Windows solution ready as well. The 
way it will work eventually is that for Rapid Release, all policies will work 
if you are either Mac, Linux or Windows connected to an Active Directory 
server. I just need to write the code to detect an Active Directory server.

Anyone that needs to use Local Group Policy will have to use ESR.

Mike






Thanks,
  Wolfgang
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