Sorry, after I downgraded to older Firefox ESR 68 releases, I upgraded to 
Firefox ESR 78 to see what it did.  68 just displayed a blank page while 78 
displayed the error that I posted.  I reviewed the web console as part of my 
troubleshooting and there were definitely third party cookies trying to load in 
the frame which we have rejected since 2019.  The vendor who supports the app 
told me that they reject all cookies on their PCs and they don’t have any 
issues using their own tool internally.  So they insisted it could not be a 
cookie issue and silly me listened to them when all evidence pointed to 
cookies.  I am suspecting that the site that is opened in the frame must have 
updated their web site/server.  I whitelisted the origin and this resolved the 
issue, but I am still scratching my head at why it happened out of the blue.

Kudos to the person who added the dialog in Firefox 78 since it helps to point 
you towards the cause for those who still have not discovered the wonders of 
the Web Console since it came be a bit terse to read, but generally points you 
in the right direction.

BTW, I did turn off all tracking protection using the GUI and clicked on the 
option to reload all tabs, but this did not resolve the issue during 
troubleshooting.  I had to close Firefox and relaunch in order to get the site 
to load before I put the third party cookies on the exception list.

From: Enterprise <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Kaply
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 6:46 PM
To: Wes Kocher <[email protected]>
Cc: enterprise <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Can Mozilla change settings like Google?

That error message you are seeing doesn't exist in Firefox 68. Can you verify 
the version?

That change was made in this bug:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1461195<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__bugzilla.mozilla.org_show-5Fbug.cgi-3Fid-3D1461195&d=DwMFaQ&c=2WwxlqHD_9GeHFEUsOHZXg&r=a0pF-r4VjZCyzB4zxbRDcONPyw-KRRoDiBPd4lDRky8&m=0xCycvWizUMXoArAiUoI5nw-x6ZJj2LpLm_am-kriH4&s=s4QemWn3j8U63Nfrcb9Gs1LQiaAbP3kCLsw1Tt83Tp4&e=>

and is only in Firefox 78 and later.

But previously, the page would still have not loaded, you would have just not 
seen the option to open the site in a new window.

Can you also turn off tracking protection and see if that's causing it?

Mike

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 6:06 PM Wes Kocher 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
They can change prefs remotely via SHIELD studies, but I don't think that's 
what's happening here. This feels like something got confused with the site's 
content security policy or the x-frame-options headers, making Firefox unable 
to display the embedded content.

Opening the web console (ctrl-shift-k) and loading the page should log 
something about the content failing to load, or the network monitor 
(ctrl-shift-e) might show the request for the embedded content being rejected, 
and one or both of those should give a hint of what's really happening.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 3:38 PM Eddie Rowe 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Can Mozilla change any part of Firefox remotely like Google can do with Chrome 
as documented in 
https://cloud.google.com/docs/chrome-enterprise/policies/?policy=ChromeVariations<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cloud.google.com_docs_chrome-2Denterprise_policies_-3Fpolicy-3DChromeVariations&d=DwMFaQ&c=2WwxlqHD_9GeHFEUsOHZXg&r=a0pF-r4VjZCyzB4zxbRDcONPyw-KRRoDiBPd4lDRky8&m=0xCycvWizUMXoArAiUoI5nw-x6ZJj2LpLm_am-kriH4&s=hqhTPkny4g0XztcJRXdyySnS28YPvc1D_Htt3ApE3yQ&e=>?

I have an internal application that interfaces with a third-party vendor inside 
what I assume is a frame that has not been upgraded or patched since May (it’s 
an appliance so we upgrade the appliance to get OS patches).  All of the sudden 
the data that should display has stopped – the pages that have this data from a 
third party vendor are not used on a regular basis.   I downgraded from Firefox 
ESR 68.10 to prior versions that I KNOW worked a few weeks ago and the behavior 
is the same.  Firefox ESR 78.0.2 displays an error message where there is blank 
space which makes me suspect Mozilla has changed how Firefox ESR 68.x releases 
behave since nothing has changed with our policies.


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