on 11/1/00 4:48 PM, Andi Payn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> My first question is: Why?
Why what?
>
> If you really want to send to a whole lot of people, you shouldn't be
> sending them through your ISP's SMTP server. First, you're wasting their
> bandwidth. Second, you're fulfilling the profile of a spammer, so either
> their software will automatically block you, or they'll get a red flag and
> question you about what you're up to.
> It sounds like in your case the ISP's blocking the mail. Which is probably
> better than them suspending your account pending investigation.
We are the ISP, it is our T1 and our mail server.
Your joking, right Andi? I can appreciate how much you dislike spam but it
is a little presumptuous of you to automatically jump to the conclusion that
I am trying to send spam. I think that your intentions are good but your
comments are a little out of line for this type of forum. If your reply was
to me personally, and not the entire Entourage list, perhaps I would feel
differently.
If I posed a question to a Photoshop Forum, asking technical questions about
retouching a women's breast, I would not expect someone to respond with a
lecture on how I should not be contributing to the proliferation of online
pornography.
My company, State of Health Products, is the world's largest distributor of
anti-tobacco merchandise. We produce anti-tobacco campaigns designed to
reduce tobacco consumption and to prevent kids from trying cigarettes. Our
award winning posters can be seen in almost every school in the country and
were recently used as a background prop on the season premier of the hit
television show E.R., perhaps you saw it, "Butts Are Gross".
Recently our company attended the World Tobacco Conference, we had several
thousand attendees from around the world request information about our
company's products (3217 to be exact). As the Great American Smokeout
approaches on November 16th, we are sending out information regarding
updates to our website http://www.buttout.com.
I hope this clears things up for you.
--
Sincerely,
Kevin O'Connell
http://www.buttout.com
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on 11/1/00 4:48 PM, Andi Payn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] also wrote:
> You're going to have to find another mail server. You can either get a
> different ISP, or use a separate mail provider. And while you're at it, you
> should probably use a list server instead of sending a huge pile of BCCs
> from your mail client. Many providers--both free and paid--will do this for
> you; you just upload your list and send to the list address and everyone on
> the list gets a copy.
>
> If you're trying to do something legitimate (that is, notify a bunch of
> people who've asked to be notified about something--changes to your website,
> the location of your rave, whatever), this is the best way to go.
>
> Of course if you're sending spam, they're going to cut you off. (There's
> also the fact that spammers tend to want to send to 1300 people, then a
> different 1300 people, then a different 1300, etc., rather than send to the
> same list over and over again.) But if that's what you're trying to do, I'm
> not going to help you (except to point you at http://www.cauce.org).
> If you're still dead set on sending lots of mail through BCC's, you can ask
> your ISP what their policies are, and if what you're trying to do is
> allowed, tell them they've misconfigured their sendmail (or exim or qmail or
> whatever) settings and you want them to fix it.
>
> A fuller explanation follows, which you can skip if you want:
>
> In the old days, people wrote software and protocols for the Internet under
> the assumption that everyone would be nice. So, the mail protocol, SMTP,
> assumes that anyone talking to the SMTP server is actually working on behalf
> of the sender, and is actually sending something that the recipients want.
>
> Then came the spammers and the spoofers. SMTP has no way to stop you from
> sending mail to everyone in the world pretending to be
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] So service providers had to come up with tricks to
> stop this. (I'm going to be a little imprecise, both to make it simpler to
> understand and to avoid making would-be spammers think they've come up with
> a new clever idea to get around the restrictions and waste our bandwidth.)
>
> The first trick is this: If you're talking to an SMTP server, you either
> have to be coming from one of their customers' IP addresses, or you have to
> be sending mail to one of their customers. This prevents spammers from
> relaying mail through other people's servers.
>
> However, it doesn't do anything about incoming (or outgoing) spam which is
> targeted at their users (and possibly at others as well). So a new trick is
> needed. One possibility: Anything going to a huge number of users has to be
> coming from a known mail server, or from a server whose IP address matches
> their hostname in reverse lookup, or... well, there are many variations.
>
> So, you're sending mail from NW-Service.K12.mn.us to something like
> smtp.buttout.com, targeted at thousands of users. Their SMTP server sees
> lots of recipients, and says, "Well, this had better be coming from a known
> mail server, or I'm not letting it through." It looks you up, sees you're
> just some internal user whose mail client is talking to it, and decides not
> to trust you. So it rejects the mail.
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on 11/1/00 2:22 PM, Kevin O'Connell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This is pretty strange.
>
> I am trying to send 1394 email messages
>> (1 To: recipient and 1393 Bcc:'s.)
>
> The senders email is :[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> The To: receipent is also: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Then 1393 Bcc:'s
>
> When I click the send button I get the following error message.
>
> *****************************************************************
>> Error:
> A message in your Outbox could not be sent using account
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" The server did not recognize the recipients or the
> server refuses to allow you to send mail.
>
>> Explanation:
> 5.1.1 user [EMAIL PROTECTED] not known
>
>
>> Error: 5550
> *****************************************************************
>
> When I delete all of the Bcc:'s, the email sends just fine to the 1 to:
> recipient.
>
> Can anyone tell me what is going on?
>
> Any idea what Error #5550 is?
>
> Is this a bug when sending a to a large number of recipients?
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