Thanks for commenting Andy. I really find the Treo/Palm questions to be a bit misinformed and very unrealistic.
The Treo line is, while innovative at the time, for the most part outdated. Those phones are giant bricks whose form factor harkens back to the mid 90s. Palm thinks the Centro handset is their future...which is sad b/c only Sprint will consider selling it. Further development on the Palm OS platform is murky at best. Consider that several of the newer Treos were Windows based, not Palm based. And this is coming from someone who used a Treo 300 all the way up to a Treo 700p before considering other options. Those ideas not withstanding, Andy is right on about the choice to rely on OS X¹s sync services. Apple has standardized on it for a while now, when did iSync become a standard part of OS X? If you really want to sync data from Entourage to a Treo, suck it up and buy MarkSpace¹s The Missing Sync. It¹s a solid product with a consistent update history. Seriously Barry, take it easy on Microsoft and the MacBU (was that out loud?). At some point they have to start looking forward and stop supporting every old smartphone-sync-method under the sun. Paul Teeter PS. I thought Quark¹s decision to not support OS X¹ had to be more offensive to some people than MS dropping Palm sync direct support. Maybe Apple dropping Classic...did that happen less than 40 years ago? On 2/6/08 1:27 PM, "Andy Ruff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/6/08 10:26 AM, "Barry Rosenbaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > I¹ve been using Entourage 2008 for a few weeks now, and I must state my >> deep >> > disappointment. >> > >> > I know I¹ll be bombarded by apologists telling me that it must be something >> in >> > my computer or my software because no one else is having ANY problems with >> > this majestic work of art. But I was expecting a performance boost from the >> UB >> > version of Entourage, and have seen the exact opposite. >> > >> > For the attempted nit-pickers, I¹m using a 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo >> MacBook >> > Pro with 3GB of RAM and 150 GB hard drive less than half full, running OS X >> > 10.4.11 with no haxies. >> > >> > Entourage has gone from being my favorite program to sheer drudgery. It¹s >> no >> > joke that an Entourage operation consists of ³click and count to 5². There >> is >> > a serious delay before executing virtually any operation in Entourage. The >> > behavior of the scroll wheel and the scroll feature on the touch pad when >> > reading messages are at best unreliable and frequently just non-functional. > > It would be highly beneficial if you gave more details about what > performance issue you're seeing and what is going on. This is the clearest > way for us to work to improve things. > >> > The ³cosmetic improvements² look like they were handed off by the lauded >> MBU >> > people to the color-blind and tasteless Windows graphics designers. And the >> > decision to abandon Treo users to the vagaries of multi-layered >> > Sync-Services-based synchronization is just about the most offensive >> > applications software decision I¹ve encountered in 40 years in the computer >> > industry. > > The decision to not bring our Palm Conduit to Entourage 2008 was not made > lightly. We made the decision because a) Palm has been intermittent in > their updates on the Mac and b) Sync Services is Apple's definitive solution > for synchronization on the Mac. Building the sync conduit for Palm vs. > adopting Sync Services results in a large resource investment parallel to > that going on in the OS. We're working with Apple and the various 3rd party > sync solutions on the Mac to provide a better overall story for customers. > >> > For a few years now I¹ve endured endless questions from other Mac users >> about >> > why I¹ve stuck with Entourage instead of Apple Mail, Calendar and Address >> > Book. My answers have focused on superior features, flexibility and Treo >> > synchronization. The features and flexibility, along with the aesthetics of >> > the user interface, have now been overcome by the sluggish performance and >> the >> > garish design, while the lack of a Palm conduit has now made using a Treo >> MUCH >> > less desirable with Entourage than with the Apple apps. (Y¹all can argue >> taste >> > and individual preferences and performance all you want, but no intelligent >> > person can hope to claim that the new Treo synch process is even remotely >> > preferable to the old way). > > We're aware of the gaps between then old Palm conduit and our current sync > solution. We're examining this and various solutions. > >> > So I suspect that the performance issues, which will be hotly denied in >> > responses to this email, will eventually be fixed, even though they didn¹t >> > exist. And the color schemes, font choices and other aesthetic elements >> will >> > get worse and better at random for the sake of change alone. (Does anyone >> > beside me have to do a double take when clicking on the ³Window² menu to >> > figure out which window to select?). But unless there¹s a Palm conduit in >> the >> > offing, and it appears there will not be, I¹m going to be forced to use the >> > Apple apps if for no other reason than accurate and reliable >> synchronization >> > with my PDA. > > I won't deny the performance issues. The perf problems are specific to > various ways you configure the app. What we need is more details, specific > details, around where you're seeing performance issues. > >> > And oh yeah. The Apple apps are MUCH quicker. >> > >> > This list has been very helpful over the years, and I admire the >> hardworking >> > people in the MBU and on this list who have kept the Mac alive by providing >> > software compatible with the main Windows apps for business. But this >> latest >> > upgrade should have been a major improvement, at least in speed, especially >> > for the price, and I¹ve found it to be anything but. > > Again, I'd like to know specifics of where you're seeing slowness. It's not > universal for all users. > > -Andy > > -- > To unsubscribe: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > archives: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.letterrip.com/> > old-archive: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.boingo.com/> > >
