That's great, Kouta! I'll also urge you to get a laser and clinometer,
it's quite easy to measure trees, and fun as well.

On Dec 22, 4:15 am, James Parton <[email protected]> wrote:
> Kouta!,
>
> WoW, what trees!  I have never saw Norway Spruce here that big. The
> European Ash and Sycamore Maple are nice too. The twisted trunk of the
> Maple resembles our Sugar Maples somewhat.
>
> If you had a laser and clinometer you could do some amazing work. A
> measuring ENT in Europe. Of course that tape is useful too.
>
> Great post!
>
> James Parton
>
> On Dec 21, 10:17 am, "Kouta Räsänen" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > ENTS,
>
> > Norway Spruce (Picea abies) reaches its maximal size in the southernmost 
> > part of its natural range in Balkan peninsula. It grows there in mountains 
> > at elevations from about 1000 metres (3000 ft) upwards. The tallest 
> > measured specimen has been 63 metres (207 feet) tall in Sutjeska National 
> > Park in Bosnia and Herzegovina (source: Leibundgut (1982): "Europäische 
> > Urwälder der Bergstufe" (="European Ancient Forests of the Mountain 
> > Level")). A part of that national park is one of the very few truly old 
> > growth forests in Central and Southern Europe. Unfortunately, the forests 
> > of Bosnia are now largely off-limits due to land mines from the Bosnian 
> > War. However, Bosnia's southern neighbour, Montenegro, is completely safe. 
> > Only 10-20 miles to the southeast from Sutjeska National Park, in the 
> > Montenegrian side, there is Durmitor National Park. In this park, there is 
> > at an elevation of 5000-5200 feet a small area which should be "Prasumski 
> > Rezervat" = "primeval forest reserve". I explored this area thoroughly last 
> > summer, but to my disappointment the forest was in fact not primeval: there 
> > are plenty of stumps and young forest. However, some individual Norway 
> > spruce trees were big and extremely tall, taller trees than I had ever seen 
> > in Europe. I would not be surprised if some of them was 60 metres tall, but 
> > unfortunately, I have not found any measurements. I attached a photo of the 
> > base of one of these tall spruces (Picea_abies_Durmitor). CBH is not 
> > particularly large. In the photo, the tree on the left behind me is Fagus 
> > sylvatica. This forest is dominated by Picea, Fagus and Abies alba.
>
> > So, there is not truly old growth forest in Durmitor National Park. But an 
> > another park in Montenegro, Biogradska Gora National Park, contains real 
> > old growth forest, one of the very few such places in Southern Europe. The 
> > forest has been protected in 1878, and it was already then a very natural 
> > forest. There I found some even bigger spruces, although they were not so 
> > tall as the spruces in Durmitor. The spruce in the photo Picea_abies grows 
> > at an elevation of 1230 metres (4030 feet). Isn't it almost like a Sitka 
> > spruce! The foliage in front of the spruce is of Abies alba. This part of 
> > the forest is dominated by Picea, Abies, Fagus sylvatica and Acer 
> > pseudoplatanus.
>
> > I attached also some photos of other big trees in Biogradska Gora National 
> > Park:
>
> > Acer pseudoplatanus grows near a lakeshore in Fagus sylvatica -dominated 
> > forest. The other trees in the photo are Fagus trees.
>
> > The two Fraxinus excelsior photos are about the same tree. The tree grows 
> > at the edge of mesic Fagus forest and wet forest dominated by Fraxinus and 
> > Alnus incana.
>
> > Unfortunately, I do not usually measure trees. Sometimes I have carried a 
> > measuring tape and measured CBHs but this time I did not. You can use me as 
> > a scale; I am 187 centimetres. ;)
>
> > Kouta
>
> >  Picea_abies_Durmitor.jpg
> > 185KViewDownload
>
> >  Picea_abies.jpg
> > 307KViewDownload
>
> >  Fraxinus_excelsior2.jpg
> > 183KViewDownload
>
> >  Fraxinus_excelsior1.jpg
> > 123KViewDownload
>
> >  Acer_pseudoplatanus.jpg
> > 135KViewDownload
>
>
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