Barry, if I get my courage up to actually rent a car and drive to Jersey (I HATE driving in NYC - traffic and INSANE driving. Although, not as bad as Boston...) Oh, and I ALWAYS get lost in New Jersey. What is with the signage?! Seriously, I have never gone out there without getting lost. Even on hiking trails. Ended up downtown Newark last time. Great place to be lost....NOT!
Anyway, I'll see your top ten sites in the Pine Barrens and then on from there with all your other cool spots. Thanks, Jenny On Apr 4, 4:57 pm, Barry Caselli <[email protected]> wrote: > To me, the tree behind the fallen branch looks like ordinatry Gray Birch, > which I usually call white birch. > Did you mention Arrowwood? We have that here. > Barry > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, JennyNYC <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: JennyNYC <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENTS] Re: Tree ID Help > To: "ENTSTrees" <[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 10:53 AM > > HI, > > Which tree are we talking about? The one behind your river birch > fallen branch? Amazing. > > With the hophornbeam - euro or amer./birch. I'll have to get to see > the buds and scratch the twigs (do river birch twigs have a fragrance > like b. lenta?) > > Need some help with arrowood id. Do you have any? I wonder if we have > any amelanchier in NYC forests. Too many species here!!! I think I > will have a nervous breakdown when I finally go to the Appalachians. > > Jenny > > On Apr 4, 12:59 pm, Steve Galehouse <[email protected]> wrote:> Will- > > > Yes, it could be a mazzard also--I think both P. padus and avium are > > naturalized in my area. > > > Steve > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Will Blozan > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > Steve, > > > > Prunus avium? > > > > Will F. Blozan > > > > President, Eastern Native Tree Society > > > > President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] *On > > > > Behalf Of *Steve Galehouse > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2009 4:35 PM > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > *Subject:* [ENTS] Re: Tree ID Help > > > > Jenny- > > > > The new photos are not river birch; probably cherry birch as you > suggest, > > > but could also be of European alder. I've attached a photo of > cherry birch > > > taken locally, and will go get a photo of river birch for you to > compare. > > > > Steve > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:10 PM, JennyNYC > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Steve, > > > > You're way ahead of me with branching patterns, but I don't > know if > > > Betula nigra bark would flake in that way. Wouldn't you be able > to see > > > a trace of the horizontal lenticels? Also, the tree may not be > growing > > > straight because of soil erosion. It's on a bit of an incline - > which > > > I didn't show very well since I didn't get the base of the > trunk. > > > > I added 3 pictures of the guy next door which I think is a big (to my > > > inexperienced eyes!) Betula lenta. Can you tell from the photo? It > > > could certainly be a river birch, though. > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/JennifDudley/TreeIDHelp?feat=directlink > > > > Jenny > > > > On Apr 3, 3:44 pm, Steve Galehouse <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Jenny- > > > > > After looking at your other photos more carefully--not focusing > on the > > > > bark--I think the tree in your photo is a river birch, Betula > nigra. The > > > > reasons I think it's not a hophornbeam are: > > > > > 1-The branch attachment to the trunk. The tree in your photos > displays > > > sort > > > > of a "saddle" at the point of attachment, which is a > characteristic of > > > > birches but not of Ostrya. Compare the attached photo to your > photo #4. > > > > > 2-Ostrya tends to be very vertical, straight, and > > single-stemmed; the > > > > > general habit of your tree is arching and leaning, with a couple > of main > > > > stems. > > > > > Both species are found in similar habitats where native. River > birch > > > > approaches its northern native limit in the NYC area(as it does > here in > > > NE > > > > Ohio), and the northern river birches look very different from > the > > > popular > > > > cultivars such as Heritage birch and Dura-heat birch, both of > which have > > > > much lighter and more exfoliating bark. Either species can > retain a few > > > > shriveled leaves over the winter. > > > > > Steve > > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:48 AM, JennyNYC > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks! It sounds unanimous. Please send on any pix of > hophornbeam. > > > > > Looking forward to one from Cleveland, Steve. > > > > > > Jenny. > > > > > > On Apr 3, 8:05 am, William Morse <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > i agree as well. those 'not typical' traits > > you've pointed out are> > all > > > > > > still within the variation found in the species. > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Will Fell > > <[email protected]>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Looks like a hop-hornbeam to me also. I've > > seen a some with flaky> > bark > > > > > > > and some with tighter bark, but the leaves > hanging on is not > > > unusual > > > > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 11:29 pm, Steve Galehouse > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> Jenny- > > > > > > > >> It looks sort of like hop-hornbeam, but not > > typical for the way it> > > > looks in > > > > > > >> my area--the smaller trunk is more similar to > > what I've seen, the> > > > larger > > > > > > >> more "flaky" (but hey, you're > > in NYC)! Tomorrow I'll take a pic> > and > > > > > send on > > > > > > >> to you what i think is typical(for > Cleveland). > > > > > > > >> Steve > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:13 PM, JennyNYC > > <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > ENTS, > > > > > > > >> > Can you help me identify this tree? I am > thinking it's a > > > hophornbeam > > > > > > >> > (Ostrya virginiana), but do their leaves > > cling in winter? It's> > > > > >> > growing just above the Bronx River flood > > plain. I couldn't get a > > > > > > close > > > > > > >> > look at the buds. > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/JennifDudley/TreeIDHelp?feat=directlink > > > > > > > >> > Thanks! > > > > > > >> > Jenny- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > Ostrya branching habit.jpg > > > > 189KViewDownload --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
