Ed,

Thank you for broaching these difficult questions that I raised.  I  
think they need to be addressed clearly and you have made a  
commendable start.

BTW, thanks for the prestigious "Dr" salutation, but alas I am but a  
humble community college professor.

Gary
On May 17, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Edward Frank wrote:

> ENTS,
>
> Dr. Gary Beluzo posted a series of questions about the future of  
> ENTS and suggested we are on a cross-roads of sort to determine the  
> future of the organization.  I agree, but not in the sense that Gary  
> means.  I think the growing number of ENTS members and a broader  
> diversity of ideas is the future of ENTS.  I believe that by making  
> this suggested change would serve both to promote the broader goals  
> of a diverse membership and to promote our scientific goals at the  
> same time.  Simply organizing the discussions into two broad  
> categories for easier management and accessibility would be a  
> benefit, while members would retain full access and right to  
> participate in all of the discussions.  Not choosing this option I  
> believe would be harmful as the number of posts grow, it is becoming  
> more chaotic and harder to find those posts of particular interest  
> to you.  This I think will put a damper on participation and  
> membership growth in the long term.
>
> As for Gary's specific questions:
>
> 1.  What is ENTS?  What IS the primary mission, what are the  
> intended goals, and who decides the future path now that the  
> "membership" is over 300?
> 2.  Who is ENTS?  Is it the original core group with additional  
> members looking on or is it the sum total of the current membership  
> which includes many non-scientific folks.
> 3.  Who should decide where ENTS goes and what it becomes? Should  
> there be a core group of officers that create policy and "official"  
> members vote on that policy? Should the vote be binding?
> 4.  Is ENTS to become a more formal organization with things like  
> membership dues in addition to a Bulletin, annual rendezvous, and  
> special conferences?  Is ENTS a casual gathering and membership?
> 5.  Can and should ENTS become everything to everyone?
>
> 1) I believe the primary mission of ENTS is as stated in the mission  
> statement.  "The Eastern Native Tree Society (ENTS) is a cyberspace  
> interest group devoted to the celebration of trees and forests of  
> the eastern North America and around the world, through art, poetry,  
> music, mythology, science, medicine, wood crafts, and collecting  
> research data for a variety of purposes. "  Our mission is all of  
> these things.  To collect research data we must develop better and  
> refine existing measurement techniques.  Some members are interested  
> primarily in and  focused on this aspect of the mission statement.   
> At times I think there is a backlash among the non-measurement  
> people against the people involved in scientific goals of the  
> organization.
>
> 2) Who is ENTS?  ENTS is the sum total of the current participating  
> membership.  I think it is only reasonable that those members that  
> are actively participating have a greater say than those who do  
> not.  I also think that people who have worked for a long time to  
> make the ENTS organization viable and to help it grow should have  
> more of a say than more recent members.  Ideas on what ENTS should  
> or should  not do are posted to the list for everyone to discuss.   
> Everyone is encouraged to make comments and suggestions and really  
> not major decisions that I can think of have ever been made without  
> this public discussion.  In every discussion people disagree about  
> what should be done.  Eventually a general consensus is reached  
> among the most active members and a decision is made.  I lobbied for  
> a long time, over a year or more, before the decision was finally  
> made to get our own domain name and website.
>
> 3) Who should have the final say?  In this respect I must point out  
> that ENTS is not a membership organization as defined under the non- 
> profit regulations.  Members do not pay dues, nor do they have a  
> vote on policy matters.  The officers of the organization have the  
> legal right to make all of the decisions.  I am not an officer, I do  
> not have a vote.  That said the officers of the organization are  
> extremely responsive to the wants and needs of the average member  
> and are always working to to encourage participation by these  
> members in all aspects of the organization.
>
> 5) ENTS can't be everything to everyone.  As it is set up ENTS is a  
> scientific organization and not a political organization.  Clearly  
> many people have strong political leanings and these are expressed  
> in the discussion list, but are not an overtly political  
> organization.  I think everyone want the organization to have  
> influence on how our forests, parks, and trees are managed.  This is  
> best accomplished by growing the organization and by producing the  
> scientific results that can impact public policy.  Toward that end I  
> think it is important that the organization support these scientific  
> research efforts.
>
> 4) The future of ENTS.  That is the question of the day.  Currently  
> ENTS is a subgroup of the Friends of Mohawk Trail State Forest, and  
> therefore a 501(c) scientific organization under that primary  
> group.  There has been some discussion of formally organizing ENTS  
> as a separate group under our own bylaws and our own Non-profit  
> status.  That will cost perhaps $2000 to accomplish.  I could try to  
> write the bylaws myself and likely get away cheaper (I bought a  
> book) for less money but I have no experience in doing so under  
> current regulations .  In these bylaws we could structure ENTS as we  
> saw fit.  I would like to see the group run by a Board of Directors  
> that included both permanent members - the current officers - and  
> elected members chosen by the general membership.  We could create  
> formal committees on different subjects - a scientific steering  
> committee for example.  Meeting could be held at our semi-annual  
> gatherings.  Day to day activities would be run by the officers.   
> This would facilitate the chance of getting external funding for  
> research projects and the like, but would create operating cost that  
> we currently do not have.  It is likely that membership dues might  
> need to be charged and more money to keep track of would mean more  
> paperwork...  It would require more time spent on organizational  
> activities than the organization requires currently.  The are pros  
> and cons.  This option is a good topic for further discussion.
>
> Ed Frank
>
>
> >


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