Barry/WIll; At first glance, I'm reminded of Chinkapin oak (Quercus muechlenbergii) however, Barry on your previous response post you noted the bark description as "similar to white oak" (Q. alba ?), if this be so, my guess is a variation of Swamp white oak (Q. bicolor). I've seen Chestnut oak (Q. montana) leaf form create dendrology fits too!! You might also watch for acorn form in the fall to further aid identification. Do you have Overcup oak in the New Jersey Pine Barrons? Usually see this species in the Southeast. The acorn sheath formation generally gives positive identification of this tree. Steve Springer
________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of Will Fell Sent: Tue 6/16/2009 4:35 AM To: ENTSTrees Subject: [ENTS] Re: oaks survey question Well it is not Overcup Oak. Could be Swamp White Oak though, looks like drawings in books I've seen and White Oak does hybridize. I have also seen some european oaks with similar leaves that were planted up north. I bet someone on the list will come up with an answer. On Jun 15, 11:14 pm, Barry Caselli <[email protected]> wrote: > Will again, > To go along with my last response, I photographed all the leaves in my oak > leaf collection that are from the trees in question, and attached the photos > to this message. The leaves in DSC01039 are from the tree here, and the > leaves in DSC01040 are from the tree at work. They appear to be virtually > identical. But as yet I can't identify the species. If memory serves, the > bark is similar to that of white oak. I can go into the woods and look for > sure tomorrow if need be. But these are the leaves anyway. > Thanks, > Barry > P.S.- I also have a bunch of leaves I collected a couple years ago at Aetna > Furnace, which I also can't identify. I will photograph and post them > tomorrow. > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Will Fell <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Will Fell <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENTS] Re: oaks survey question > To: "ENTSTrees" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 12:16 PM > > Barry > > Could your lobed white oak be Overcup Oak? It has very large > distinctive acorns or maybe it is swamp white oak. I have never seen > one, but understand the leaves are somewhat like overcup oak. Swamp > Chestnut Oak leaves are unlobed and almost identical to Chestnut Oak, > it just has white oak bark and large sweet acorns. > > On Jun 14, 7:05 pm, Barry Caselli <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > ENTS, > > I've been thinking about asking this question for a few days now. I think > > it would be interesting to read everyone's answers. > > Here it is: > > What species of oak are native to your area- the general area in which you > > live and work? I'm not really concerned with planted varieties, just the > > native trees. I love oak trees, so I'm really interested in people's > > answers. > > > > Here's my answer (which I've given a couple times in other posts): > > My area is the New Jersey Pine Barrens, and the oaks are: > > > > White Oak, Quercus alba > > Post-Oak, Quercus stellata > > Chestnut-Oak, Quercus prinus > > Black Oak, Quercus velutina > > Scarlet Oak, Quercus coccinea > > Spanish Oak, Quercus falcata > > Black-jack Oak, Quercus marilandica > > Willow Oak, Quercus phellos (not listed in Pine Barrens field guide) > > > > Willow Oak can be found in many places, though it's not as widespread as > > the others. Half the species on that list can be found right here on our > > property. > > We also have an oak on the property that has leaves similar to those of > > White Oak, but with many lobes, as if it's a lobed version of Chestnut-oak. > > Could it be Swamp Chestnut Oak? Or maybe some naturally occurring hybrid? > > > > Also there are two oaks that are shrubs: > > > > Scrub-Oak, Quercus ilicifolia > > Dwarf Chestnut-oak, Quercus prinoides > > > > Yesterday I found a new location for Dwarf Chestnut-oak, only about 6 miles > > from here. It is quite uncommon compared to Scrub Oak. > > > > I used my pine barrens field guide to get all the correct spellings, and > > for some reason a few of the names are hyphenated, which I didn't know, > > previously. > > Thanks, > > Barry > > > > DSC01039.JPG > 200KViewDownload > > DSC01040.JPG > 231KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
